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Source says Bakhtin did not coin the word[edit]

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The article says "The term was coined by Russian literary scholar M.M. Bakhtin" and cites Dentith, S. "Chronotope". The Literary Encyclopedia as a source for this fact. Although I did not create an account to view the whole article, the part that is visible above the paywall says the following: "A term taken over by Mikhail Bakhtin from 1920s science to describe the manner in which literature represents time and space." This implies he did not "coin" the word, but was the first to apply it to literary studies. The article should be fixed to reflect this.

kerim (talk) 03:30, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it would be good to find where it was used in 1920s science.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 05:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This source says that Bakhtin did coin the word, based on Einsteins concept of "space-time". This would suggest that Dentith is only partly right and that the word "chronotope" was a greekism based on "space-time", but first coined by Bakhtin.[1]·maunus · snunɐɯ· 09:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion surrounding citations[edit]

These citations were wholesale deleted because User:Harold the Sheep thinks "this isn't an improvement". NurishmentForThinking (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander, Lily (2007). "Storytelling in Time and Space: Studies in the Chronotope and Narrative Logic on Screen". Journal of Narrative Theory. 37 (1): 27–64. JSTOR 41304849. Retrieved 17 May 2021. chronotope (literally 'time-space'—representation and conceptualization of the artistic time and space, derived by Bakhtin from Einstein's theory of relativity) …This type of narrative time-space …are associated with the trials, sufferings and tests one cannot avoid on a difficult journey.</ref> The chronotope is the conduit through which meaning enters the logosphere.
Crichfield, Grant (1991). "Bakhtin's Chronotope and the Fantastic: Gautier's 'Jettatura' and 'Arria Marcella'". Journal of the Fantastic in the Arts. 4 (3): 25–39. JSTOR 43308108. Retrieved 17 May 2021. Bakhtin states that the chronotope, or conjunction of time and space, is a 'formally constitutive category' (84) of literature ...According to Bakhtin, the chronotope's central role in literature derives from the fact that, in order to be communicated and understood by others, any meaning must take on the form of a sign, or temporal-spatial expression that is audible and visible to us. 'Consequently, every entry into the sphere of meanings is accomplished only through the gates of the chronotope' (258).
Morson, Gary Saul (1993). "Strange Synchronies and Surplus Possibilities: Bakhtin on Time". Slavic Review. 52 (3). Cambridge University Press: 477–493. doi:10.2307/2499720. Retrieved 18 May 2021. Generally speaking, literary structure is not neutral with respect to philosophies of time. It strongly favors closed temporalities. It is therefore comparatively easy and common to make the shape of a work reinforce a fatalistic or deterministic view of time
Morson, Gary Saul (1993). "Strange Synchronies and Surplus Possibilities: Bakhtin on Time". Slavic Review. 52 (3). Cambridge University Press: 477–493. doi:10.2307/2499720. Retrieved 18 May 2021. In his writings on 'the chronotope,' Bakhtin approached narrative genres as grounded in a specific sense of time. He was interested not in the specific events of particular works but in the generically given sense of what events are possible and plausible—in the field of possibilities against which a given plot unfolds. Thus his technique is to read through the specific events of works to reach the field of possibilities constituting the genre's chronotope or sense of temporality.
Mutnick, Deborah (2006). "Time and Space in Composition Studies: 'Through the Gates of the Chronotope'". Rhetoric Review. 25 (1): 41–57. JSTOR 20176698. Retrieved 18 May 2021. A text, writes Bakhtin, occupies 'a certain specific place in space [...and] our acquaintance with it occurs through time' (252). ...In Bakhtin's words: 'Time, as it were, thickens, takes on flesh, becomes artistically visible; likewise, space becomes charged and responsive to the movements of time, plot and history' (84).</ref>

It's not the citations that I'm worried about. It's the rewriting of the entire lead in a way that does not provide a clear summary of what the article is about. The previous version is considerably better in this respect. Please discuss individual changes before making them. Harold the Sheep (talk) 23:15, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NurishmentForThinking I can see you are seeking to improve the article. However, some of your paraphrases and summaries of the sources are somewhat obscure and idiomatic (eg. "Paraphrasing Bakhtin, time flows, based on how into the text you are getting"), so I might do a bit of rewriting at some stage. Harold the Sheep (talk) 06:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Harold the Sheep: Ok, that sounds good. I guess my reactionary statement could be boiled down to don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
NurishmentForThinking (talk) 18:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]