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Obviously, there are a bunch of different ethnic groups in Russia. I've only recently begun to learn about many of them. Gringo300 08:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: who is the 'head of the Chukchi' in today's world, who were their historical leaders, and were there any famous Chukchi people in world or Russian/American history?

"related groups" info removed from infobox[edit]

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion points that should have been added to the discussion page[edit]

The following text was removed from the article:

"---->Need Check: Forsyth has the Chukchis in two groups in the 17th century, the main group on the Chukchi Peninsula north of the mouth of the Anadyr and a smaller group on the Arctic coast west of the mouth of the Kolyma. From about 1711 they expanded to the Kolyma and absorbed most of the Chuvans. But the Russian Wikipedia says that they lived on both sides of the Kolyma and were driven east of the Kolyma by the Russians. This contradiction needs to be checked"

Ufwuct (talk) 09:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chukchis and Russians[edit]

to anonymous editor: I restored the Chukchis and Russians header. This is a common problem. Many names of states are also names of peoples. A person can be a Turk politically but a Kurd ethnically. Many of the inhabitants of political Russia and not ethnic Russians. In the early period Chukchis and Russians were different politically as well as ethnically. The use of the same word for a state and a people can cause confusion, but the ethnic meaning seems clear in this case. Benjamin Trovato (talk) 03:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chukchi and Americans[edit]

Are Chukchi in any way related to Americans?--82.134.154.25 (talk) 16:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently the article claims exactly that. However, it is extremely unlikely that any of the Siberian waves of immigration to the Americas can be identified specifically with the Chukchi. They cannot have existed as an identifiable ethnic group (identifiable with the modern ethnic group, that is) such a long time ago. Compare Chukotko-Kamchatkan languages. This phrasing strikes me as similar to claiming that the native population of Australia and Melanesia derive from ancestors of the Malay, who we know in fact derive from a later wave of immigration ultimately from Taiwan, and similarly there is no proof at all that the Chukchi directly represent the oldest layer of population in the area where they live now; in fact it is quite unlikely that there has been any sort of continuity (whether linguistic, ethnic or genetic) in the area since the immigration of the first groups across Bering Strait. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Put another way, to speak of Chukchi 13,000 years ago (!!!) strikes me as equally anachronistic as to speak of Englishmen, Germans or French at the same time. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chukchi in Ukraine[edit]

With all respect to the 30 Chukchi people living in the Ukraine, I believe this section is not relevant and should be removed. How many Chukchi live in the rest of Europe? 81.63.71.175 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Unreliable source at englishrussia.com[edit]

The "Amazing Life of Chukchi" article cited at https://web.archive.org/web/20110412143557/http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/11/26/amazing-life-of-chukchi/ does not seem to meet reliability standards. The source is essentially a translation of the one source it cites, a blog post by user Haritonoff on Livejournal archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20210520170701/haritonoff.livejournal.com/137135.html. The Livejournal post itself cites no sources or research methods and cannot be considered reliable as either a primary or secondary source. To be honest I made an account just to bring this to attention, so someone with more experience may be a better candidate for deciding whether or not to remove this source and the information cited from it-- that said, however, I believe that they should be removed.

It's also worth noting that Haritonoff's article contains the following paragraph (translated from Russian via Google Translate), which matches a paragraph from this article closely enough for me to assume that his article was primarily or partially paraphrased from Wikipedia (creating a case of circular citation). I had initially assumed the opposite, but the addition of this paragraph to the Wikipedia article predates the Livejournal post.

The translated paragraph from Harritonoff's Livejournal post:

At least in the first millennium of our era, the Chukchi, remaining one people, were divided according to their way of life into coastal and mainland ones - the first led the way of life of sedentary fishermen of the sea animal, the second tamed deer, although they remained mostly hunters; the transition to large-herd reindeer herding as the main mode of economy (due to the events that will be discussed later) began to occur only in the 17th-18th centuries. The origin of the word "Chukcha" itself dates back to the same centuries - from the epithet of tundra reindeer herders "chauchu" (plural "chauchavyt") - "rich in deer". The coastal Chukchi were called ank'alyt ("sea people") or ram'aglyt ("coastal dwellers") They themselves, as the people of the Chukchi, were defined by the word "luoravetlyan" (pl. "luoravetlyet"). This word, like the self-names of many other peoples, simply means "people", more precisely, "real, normal people" - in contrast to the "wrong" foreigners.

Compared to the paragraph it seems to match:

The Chukchi are traditionally divided into the Maritime Chukchi, who had settled homes on the coast and lived primarily from sea mammal hunting, and the Reindeer Chukchi, who lived as nomads in the inland tundra region, migrating seasonally with their herds of reindeer. The Russian name "Chukchi" is derived from the Chukchi word Chauchu ("rich in reindeer"), which was used by the 'Reindeer Chukchi' to distinguish themselves from the 'Maritime Chukchi,' called Anqallyt ("the sea people"). Their name for a member of the Chukchi ethnic group as a whole is Luoravetlan (literally 'genuine person').

As an aside, the etymology described in this paragraph (and on the page for the Chukchi language) appears to be sourced from "The Chukchis". The Red Book of the Peoples of the Russian Empire.. This source is already listed under the "further reading" section of the article, but both pages may benefit from it being promoted to a full reference with an in-text citation at the relevant location.

Frozenhearted (talk) 03:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Section talks about Chukchi in North America without sources[edit]

The “Cultural History” section of the Wikipedia page about the Chukchi says that there are Chukchi people residing in North America. I’ve yet to come across any source regarding this, and none of the other language wikipedias have information about this either. Am I missing something, or is this okay to remove? SkinOfHooman (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chuchi and Manchus[edit]

What was the relationship between Chukchis and Manchus? Did the Manchus and their predecessors rule over the Chukchis? 2A00:23C5:C13C:9F01:4DDA:E174:F424:9DBF (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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