Talk:Citizens' initiative referendum (France)

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This article is a translation of parts of the french article. That's not a bad thing, but what was copied here is the exact opposite of what should have been. The page should include the info on the proposed form of popular referendum in France both historically under the fifth republic, and currently by the Yellow vest movement, not the generalities about such referendums in the world.--Aréat (talk) 02:57, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This topic already existed on Wikipedia at the Initiative article, so I've redirected it there. Number 5 7 13:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look like you crunched the updated map, though. ;) And the table as well. Could yoy put it back on the Initiative page? --Aréat (talk) 05:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You should initiate a discussion if you don't think the entry is notable. The history of the situation in France is not covered in the article you mention. Feel free to initiate an AfD after doing a WP:BEFORE search, if you don't believe the subject is notable. I think you'll find there are hundreds of articles about the subject. Best, SashiRolls ^{t · c} 08:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree, as said above almost all of the article's content isn't on the french current situation with the RIC. --Aréat (talk) 10:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I've moved the table to Initiative so that this article focuses on only the French situation. @SashiRolls: I'm not convinced this is worthy of a standalone article, especially as it's only a proposal rather than an actual legislative procedure. Can it not be covered in the Yellow vests article? Number 5 7 10:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I added the map on the initiative page, if it's not here.--Aréat (talk) 11:58, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Initiative[edit]

Initiative (the page destination) is not a very limpid entry title. I think this is my biggest problem with the proposed merge/move idea. I've been distracted by an old tale of sockpuppetry elsewhere, I just wanted to respond and thank @Number 57: for their patience. I continue to think that this page deserves an entry though, even if it does need expanding. Since RIC has been removed from the page title, it is no longer clear that it pertains to France. I will probably move the stub to Citizens' initiative referendum (France) and suggest more patience or nominating the stub for deletion if SO is sure the subject is not notable... SashiRolls ^{t · c} 23:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that disambiguation is necessary as there is no other article with the same name. However, a better solution might be to move this content to Referendums in France. Number 5 7 23:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up lede[edit]

Currently, the lede reads "The Référendum d'initiative Citoyenne (abbreviated RIC) is the name given to the proposal for a constitutional amendment in France to permit consultation of the citizenry by referendum concerning the proposition or abrogation of laws, the revocation of politicians' mandates, and constitutional amendment", which seems like a wonky (as in a bit off) translation of French text. Maybe something like "The Référendum d'initiative Citoyenne (abbreviated RIC) is the name given to the proposal for a constitutional amendment in France to permit initiatives that propose or abrogate laws, recalls of politicians, and amendments to the Constitution" would work better? Qwed117 (talk) 08:35, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]