Talk:Clifford Last

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A fact from Clifford Last appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 December 2007, and was viewed approximately 329 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Clifford Last, a son of the author of the Housewife, 49 diaries, migrated from Britain to Australia after the war and became a noted abstract sculptor?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/December.

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Puzzled[edit]

I replaced the lost Category:Gay artists category assuming that since there's no comment here, it may have dropped out. I might have done it unintentionally, myself. Hmm, don't know why the footer link works but doesn't seem to work here.Julia Rossi (talk) 10:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the category because the article says absolutely zero about his sexual orientation. If he's gay, the article needs to say it and it has to be referenced. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where it says "he lost a close companion" it was the 1940's and today we'd say his male lover died in action, but this is the best I could find since the film biography only went this far with other allusions such as "he's the nicest of the friends he brings home", his non interest in the girl next door and his reaction to the devastating loss of his lover. I have seen other articles where there's nothing about the person but the category due to lack of specifics in citation. What to do? It's still an important part of who he was as a man and as an artist. He was in every way pretty well oblique. Julia Rossi (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've tried by rewording to make the mention less general (his closest companion) and giving the fact of the movie carrying the information. Hope this makes a difference. Julia Rossi (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, being gay is still considered "controversial" by Wikipedia's standards, so having him in a gay category requires a reliable source. I did some research through Google Books and can't find any reference at all, even in books like "Out of the Celluloid Closet" or others like that. If a reliable source can be found, feel free to add him back to the cat, but I've removed it for now. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes I guess that's so. Currently his notability is via his mother and being a rebel sculptor in a conservative minor state in Australia – not the sharpest profile to be had. Something may yet turn up, who knows? Cheers Julia Rossi (talk) 08:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Rossi (talk • contribs)

Reinstated category of gay artist, with supporting text and reference to his diaries and archive held at the State Library Victoria.

Anecdote[edit]

There's an anecdotal piece on the ABC website here[1] starting, "In an interview, Victoria Wood mentions that she went to visit Cliff's house in Melbourne..." if anyone thinks it could go in the article or as an external link. Julia Rossi (talk) 10:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]