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no original research[edit]

Coeur d'Alene is an up and coming area of northern Idaho. In the past year it has shown a 7.8% growth rate. It has an unemployment rate of only 2.9 %. The median home price is only $137,399 making it very affordable.

It has a world famous golf course with an island green that has made the cover of many golfing magazines and calendars. Coer d' Alene is a beauiful place to visit and a great place to live. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.232.39.246 (talk • contribs) 01:16, November 23, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you consider "world famous", but I've never even heard of the course you talk about, let alone any major course in Idaho. Probably the most famous island green is the 17th green at TPC Sawgrass. You're talking about Idaho, about 25 counties in the U.S. are larger. Keep it realistic. Then again, I'm from Miami, and when you call something "world famous", you better damn well mean it. ReignMan (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above is a good example of content that should not appear in an article (should anyone be tempted to add such stuff.) Dxco 06:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. And that information must be out of date or something, because the average home cost is closer to 250,000, and while the town WAS very affordable to live in as long ago as five years ago, thats hardly the case anymore.--67.22.38.204 23:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And I don't know how much people have "enjoyed" significant growth. There is more money, true, but that doesn't necessarily equate to a better quality of life overall.

Yes, a very good example of content not to be found on an article. Although this doesn't matter, I've been to Coeur d'Alene on many occasions before and it seems to me quite the opposite on current things. --Thekittybomb 20:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know..I know this is the discussion page, but this seems like almost an attack on the OP that posted on Nov. 23rd, 2005. Yes, his comment was more opinion then fact, I agree. But people seem to be jumping all over him with regards to his comments about quality of life too. I live near CDA (I'm the fellow who posted a comment about deleting the Aryan Nation's post last year as an aside) and I personally do find the quality of life here to be fine, and generally speaking affordable despite what others have posted. I guess I am posting opinion again, but just still seems like the fellow is being flamed for making a suggestion in the discussion area. Forgive me if I am not comprehending though. 76.178.134.37 (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

charter academy[edit]

The Coeur d'Alene Charter Academy is a high school as well as a middle school. I should know, I go there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hattusa (talk • contribs) 05:51, October 18, 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, and it has been appropriately added to the article. -134.50.19.140 (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kelso Lake???[edit]

I don't think this picture should be on here. It has nothing to do with the city of Coeur d'Alene. I've got pictures of the city online on Picasa but I've collected a lot of them online...I didn't take them myself. What's the policy on adding pictures to a Wikipedia page? Also, there's several available at Coeur d'Alene's Chamber of Commerce website. We need to delete the Kelso one though; again, it has no relevance to this page. Jordancda 05:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)Jordancda[reply]

population[edit]

hi, I'm working on the German article about CDA... From the figures, there seems to be a decline in population and I'm wondering why... In 2005 there were about 40,000 people but for 2007 the FAQ on the website state that the population is 34,514 (http://www.coeurdaleneidaho.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=37&MMN_position=97:97). This is confusing to me since the PacNorthwest in general is a fast-growing region... Are we talking about the same thing?;-) Did they change boundaries or something? Is one of the figures not accurate? Or is CDA really loosing population? Please help me out;-) --X-Weinzar 11:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cities grow and they shrink, and then there's also the issue of estimations vs. census data. Probably a little of both.ReignMan (talk) 06:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in CDA, so can possibly comment. Best of my knowledge, the 40k comment with regards to population was a rough estimate, while 34,514 is closer to accurate. Also, although we're considered to be the Pacific Northwest, we're somewhat on the "edge" of that area, we're a few hundred miles from Portland and Seattle for instance. We haven't lost population though to the best of my knowledge, although our heavy growth in the 90's to the best of my knowledge has slowed down a bit in the 2000's. Hope this helps to some degree. 76.178.134.37 (talk) 12:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment here, I think the 34,514 marker is just lax. This is specifically referring to the population sign coming in off of 95 from the south. This sign hasn't been changed in years and apparently neither has the "official" population estimate, as evidenced from the fact that the original post was from 2007 and yet the "official" population is still the same and has been since at least 2005. For those of us that live here, we know the population has significantly increased and is definitely closer to 40,000 if not above. Waliy sherpa (talk) 21:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For future reference, we should avoid mention of Coeur d'Alene as the "Pacific Northwest". The Wikipedia page does not include any part of Idaho, nor do most websites. It's typically referred to as being a part of the "Mountain West". Locally, it's referred to as a part of the "Inland Empire", the region which covers a portion of Western Washington and Northern Idaho. Many schools in this region participate together as members of the Inland Empire league for the given event. Dvnwlkr (talk) 05:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dvnwlkr: And yet I've heard of Coeur d'Alene being referred to as part of the Pacific Northwest, albeit on the edge of it. In fact, as an edit and addendum to my post, I now quote from the Wikipedia article on The Pacific Northwest:

"The Pacific Northwest is a region in the northwest of North America, bound by the Pacific Ocean to the west. Always included are the U.S. states of Washington and Oregon, and the Canadian province of British Columbia. Southeast Alaska, Idaho, western Montana and northern California are often included."

(Emphesis in boldface text my edit)

Mountain West I've only heard on occasion, and the first thing that comes to mind when that is said is a bank, not this region. Inland Empire I have heard since I was a child, but I've also heard "Pacific Northwest" when referring to this area as a child. IMO calling Coeur d'Alene in the Pacific Northwest, albeit perhaps on the edge of it is accurate.

69.76.14.139 (talk) 10:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

zip code[edit]

Also, I'm wondering what the zip code is. Is it 83814 and 83815? thx, --X-Weinzar 11:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both zip codes are in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. It's large enough to have two, and if I recall right some or all of the Post Office boxes use 83816 as a zip code. 76.178.105.2 (talk) 13:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one PO in CDA, 111 N. 7th St, 83816.
The 83816 zip is dedicated to that PO. The city itself has 83814 for most of the downtown area and surrounding county area while the 83815 includes the northern and western areas, including the small city north of it, Dalton Gardens. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aryan Nations and Coeur d'Alene[edit]

I did a recent edit on a comment about the Aryan Nations. I suspect an Aryan Nations member did the edit where he or she claimed that the Aryan Nations are back in "Coer d'Alene (sic). I first edited, then removed said comment. I'm not sure how they could be "back" when their compound was near Hayden Lake, Idaho to start with, not CDA. I live in Kootenai, Co. Idaho, the same county as Coeur d'Alene, and I can assure you there is no new compound here. All they have is a PO Box in a local CDA post office. This is all they have had for years since the compound was closed then demolished. I'm sure it's a few holdouts that stayed in this area instead of fleeing when the Aryan compound was closed, which again as an aside was fairly close to Hayden Lake, Idaho. Not Coeur d'Alene. The claim that a PO Box means they are "back" would be the same as let's say two or three Aryan Nations members getting a PO Box in let's say San Francisco or New York City, and then claiming they had invaded said city and took it over. Other then a few holdouts that probably never left, the Aryans are NOT back here in any way shape or form. 76.178.105.2 (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, it's not important enough to even note. You were right to delete it. It may be important, say, if the headquarters was in the city, to state that "the Aryan Nations HQ is located in CDA," but there's no call to say that some fringe group is "back." Just delete any of that crap. Even if the HQ was in Hayden Lake, or wherever, it'd simply be proper to note that in the article about the compound itself, but not in the other direction, unless the compound held a major significance.
For example, in the San Fran article, under 'religion,' or some similar heading, with the other cathedrals and such, "The HQ of the church of Satanism is located in SF," is fine. However, "There are many Satanists in the streets of SF," is not appropriate. ReignMan (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Idaho Athlete of the Year[edit]

When I searched for a source to sight the guy we had listed as northern Idaho athelete of the year (Joseph Wolfe), I found a list of northern Idaho athelete's of the year, and like a third were from this city and he wasn't one of them. Northern Idaho isn't all that large population wise, so it makes sense, and I removed Joseph Wolfe since, even he did win and that list is wrong for some reason, I'm willing to bet so did many others from the city. Did I make the right choice? I could be completely wrong about this, and there could easily be more than one award by the same name, too, anyone have a second opinion? the lists ♦ Flffy'd ♦ 21:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other Famous People in CDA[edit]

I noticed that someone added Patty Duke to the page. I live in CDA, and wanted to add a few more, such as John Elway, Dennis Franz, Viggo Mortensen, Jake Plummer, and Ben Stein. I've met and/or seen most of them, and heard from others that the rest live here, unfortunately, I can't find definitive proof that they indeed live here. I'm rather new as a contributor, and just wanted advice as to whether or not I should add them without verification. Should I search property records? Any advice would be appreciated. Trystian Sky (talk) 18:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


If I may, one way to at least see if such should be researched might be to check the Wikipedia entry for each celebrity and go from there. I only did this for one person you mentioned, but I did check the entry for Viggo Mortensen. It indicates that he owns property in Sandpoint, Idaho and does spend time there when not involved with a film. (For those not familiar with this area, Sandpoint is perhaps 40 or 45 miles north of Coeur d'Alene as an aside, so it's the general area but not the same city, nor even the same county). Anyway, that right there would be a way, it shows that he doesn't in fact live in Coeur d'Alene. (Having said that, one would then have to decide if owning property and spending time there is enough to mention in the Sandpoint, Idaho article, but I now digress) 69.76.14.139 (talk) 12:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Popular Culture[edit]

This is not particularly important, but Coeur d'Alene is mentioned also in the song 'Poet's Heart' by Kate Wolf (perhaps her most famous song). Tapio Kotilainen (talk) 10:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was also mentioned in the TV show Human Target (Season 1, Episode 10) around 21:31, even though the actor, Mark Valley, completely butchered the pronunciation of it. Trystian Sky (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

The French pronunciation is -len (/də-lɛn'/), so I'm surprised that the American pronunciation is -lane (/dəˈleɪn/). With a google search, I've seen -len, -lane, and -lin. Can someone from there actually confirm that residents really do say -lane? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.78.249.3 (talk) 02:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a local pronunciation only. And the local historians don't exactly know how it ended up that way either. A fluke of local dialect only. But since it's a proper name at this point, it should be pronounced "d'lane" if you are referring to the city and "d'len" if you are speaking French. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Yeah, I live in the area, and most of the residents and natives do pronounce it Core-Duh-Lane. It's extremely rare to come across anyone in town that actually uses the French pronunciation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.157.178.102 (talk) 01:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply] 


Coeur d'Alene is a proper name in English, not three words in French. The correct pronunciation of the name is exactly what the local people decide it is.

MarkinBoston (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

International Baccalaureate at Coeur d'Alene High School[edit]

The mention of the International Baccalaureate program being removed from CHS due to lack of funding in the Education section is unsourced, and I can find no corroborating information. In a search on the CHS website, I still found references to current IB classes.

http://chs-cdasd-id.schoolloop.com/cms/page_view?d=x&piid=&vpid=1236521104539 This link mentions IB courses, but does not actually list any.

http://chs-cdasd-id.schoolloop.com/cms/page_view?d=x&piid=&vpid=1251955169231 This link is the course list for a current teacher at CHS, and the IB History of the Americas class is mentioned.

The information available from the CHS website seems to point toward a reduced number of IB classes in comparison to Advanced Placement or Honors courses, but there is no way to infer that the program has been discontinued there, and certainly no way to say why it was discontinued (lack of funding or otherwise).

The entire Education section about Coeur d'Alene is unsourced, but the rest of the information is more or less verifiable with a simple search of the Coeur d'Alene schools' websites. However this statement about discontinuing IB at CHS has no information to back it up from what I have been able to find. I recommend removal, unless it can be verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.178.179.68 (talk) 00:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get there?[edit]

Do I land in spokane, rent a car & drive or can I hop another flight to the local airport? Thanx guys. Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 15:49, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Coeur d'Alene Airport (KCOE) is primarily used for private flights and cargo. The easiest way to get here by air outside of private flights is to fly into Spokane and get transportation from there. I know Omnibus (208.667.6664) will travel between Spokane & Coeur d'Alene, and there are also car rentals available at the Spokane Airport. The main (and easiest) access point from the west into Coeur d'Alene is Interstate 90. Once you're in Coeur d'Alene, if you don't want to drive, there is a free public bus system available (http://idahocitylink.com/). It goes to a lot of places in Coeur d'Alene and Post Falls. If you're looking for things to do, this is a pretty good resource (http://lovecda.com/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.12.201 (talk) 23:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very helpful thanx so much! Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 20:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Poor photo[edit]

Surely there must be a better photograph of the city than the one featuring the railing of a parking garage roof.

MarkinBoston (talk) 19:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Library "censorious vigilante" hiding books they don't like[edit]

[1], [2]. [3]. [4] and many more all over the US, France, the UK, India etc. Doug Weller talk 15:26, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heart of an awl????[edit]

The lead paragraph states that Coeur d'Alene is French for "Heart of an awl." WTF? Awls dont have hearts even metaphorically. The link to Coeur d'Alene people states that the name in the Coeur d'Alene native language means ""The Discovered People" or "Those Who Are Found Here"."

So is the "awl" nonsense? Anyone know? Ecphora (talk)

The French fur traders gave the indigenous people the name "Coeur d' Alene", which explains why it is a French phrase. Having "the heart of an awl" is a very old French metaphor that means "a shrewd trader". The locals were very tough traders, demanding much value in return. The local tribe has unfortunately lost their heritage name, if they ever had one. They were a relatively small tribe and mostly kept to themselves. Titles like "the discovered people" are anachronistic. They simply don't know enough of their own history to say what their ancestors called themselves, if anything other than "people" or "tribe". Considering their relative isolation and small size, it's unlikely they ever developed an identity strong enough to give it a unique name. 76.178.169.118 (talk) 22:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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I'll be happy to review this. I hope to leave some initial feedback by this weekend. Larry Hockett (Talk) 16:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some initial checks: The page history shows that the entry is stable, Earwig's tool returns no significant copyright concerns, and there are no unaddressed cleanup tags. I'll go through the article section by section and leave feedback. If I have feedback that is very minor or outside of the GA criteria, I'll try to mark it as such. I may go back and clean up the minor stuff myself during the review.

Lead[edit]

  • "The origins of the city began with being a fort town" - too wordy - The city began as a fort town?
  • "After the Great Depression" - I think this sentence should be split into at least two.
  • minor: Holiday Light Shows - lowercase / common nouns
  • The lead feels a little long; there are five paragraphs rather than the conventional four, which isn't terrible, but it feels like there are places where we could make it more concise. For example, you mention CDA's location in the first and last paragraphs. This is probably outside of the GA criteria, but I would consider taking out some of the specific mentions of the resorts, golf courses and such.

History[edit]

  • I don't think you need "by the autonym" in the first sentence (redundant, since you explain they called themselves that).
  • How long/when did the CDA people live there? Give the reader an idea of how much time this history is covering.
  • Second paragraph: comma after reasons or after across? Depends on meaning.
  • "meaning the tribal traders had hearts as sharp as the tip of an awl or sharp hearted and were shrewd, tough businessmen." Too much going on here for one sentence.
  • "but was followed up with George Wright's campaign" If I understand this long sentence, the corresponding subject is "talks", which means the verb should be "were followed".
  • "depending on job duties to mitigate increased costs" Not very easy to determine what this means.
  • "the engineer, Levi "Al" Hutton, later claimed at gunpoint." This doesn't seem like an independent clause (can't stand alone after a semicolon).
  • "Years later Harry Orchard" Two uses of "later" in this sentence but may not need either one since the dates are there.
  • "in 1925 there were seven lumber mills operating in the area and was producing 500 million board feet of lumber." Grammar - what was producing? The way I read it, the lumber mills were producing.
  • "the depression years saw the creation of Coeur d'Alene Junior College" - anthropomorphism - years don't see
  • "Tourism has taken on even more prominence and became one of the main drivers of the local economy" - why the different verb tenses? Probably should change became to has become.
  • In the same paragraph, there are a couple of informal uses of "saw" as noted a couple of bullet points higher.
  • "The sources of the newest transplants are still mainly from" - shorten to "The newest transplants are still mainly from"

Geography[edit]

  • "Environmental concerns have come as a result of" - this sentence looks like a runon

Climate[edit]

  • "The monthly daily mean temperature" - I think we can get rid of monthly, since we explain that it varies according to month.
  • "while conversely, there may be several nights" - reads better without conversely

Neighborhoods[edit]

  • "216 feet" - "216-foot"
  • Same sentence - comma after tower
  • Comma after city center and after Cabela's
  • "highly esteemed" is probably not NPOV
  • comma after Hayden Lake community

Parks and recreation[edit]

  • In general, this section is written more like a travel brochure than an encyclopedia entry. Needs cleanup of some non-neutral tone (ex: enjoyed, popular [at least four times], excellent views, more natural outdoor setting).

Government and politics[edit]

  • "current mayor" - see WP:WTW (relative time references) - better to say when this mayor was elected.
  • "and are sometimes noncompetitive or uncontested." - clarify who or what is noncompetitive or uncontested (a city or county isn't described as uncontested - certain elections or portions of elections may be).
  • "This wasn't always the case and some believe that this increasingly rightward trend..." - Not very helpful to phrase things this way. Just say what was the case, what is the case, and when things changed.

Demographics[edit]

  • "According to Office of Management and Budget (OMB) standards" - runon sentence
  • "An Idaho transplant, Richard Butler, a retired engineer from California came to the Coeur d'Alene area" - a little confusing - don't think we need "an Idaho transplant".
  • "however according to some such as anthropologist" - but according to (since this is in the middle of a sentence with no semicolon
  • "As of the 2010 census of 2010" - get rid of one of the 2010s

Economy[edit]

  • "tourism came to be the main influence" - tourism has come to be
  • giant statues of bird feathers? This seems to come up a bit randomly in the economy section. Are we saying that these things boost tourism, which in turn boosts the economy? Art galleries and cafes too. They could just be mentioned in the Culture section.
  • Tourism comes up again in the second paragraph. Not sure why it's broken up like this. Also no need to list the parks again in this section.
  • "A concern for the city however" - no need for however

Culture[edit]

  • Similar to the Parks section, check this entire section for non-neutral terms like "vibrant".

Education[edit]

  • "Library services... are met" - odd verb here. Provided?
  • "Public library services in the area trace its roots" - their roots

Roads and highways[edit]

  • "as the states first major interstate highway project to be completed" - state's

Public transportation[edit]

  • " Extension of Spokane Transit Authority service into Idaho" - runon

That's all for right now. Most of our focus right now should be on improving the quality of the writing, with particular emphasis on punctuation and sentence structure. In the future, you might consider sending the article to WP:GOCE before a GA nomination so that you don't have to work through so much GA feedback in just a few days. Larry Hockett (Talk) 07:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the work on this so far. I appreciate the prompt attention to my concerns. I went through and reviewed the changes, and I did some copyediting (largely for punctuation) and took out a couple of passages that were redundant. I'm happier with how the article reads now. I'm going to return to the article by this weekend to spot check the references. I'm also going to review the article for the use of neutral tone; it read a little like a PR brochure in some places, but I think I have cleaned up at least some of what I noticed in that regard. Larry Hockett (Talk) 07:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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3. Broad in its coverage:
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. The nominator and reviewer tweaked some of the language to produce neutral tone.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
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Thanks to the nominator for the hard work. This meets the GA criteria. Larry Hockett (Talk) 09:10, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List Temperatures year round[edit]

Please list the temperatures yearly, monthly, daily. 104.35.79.130 (talk) 22:01, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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