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Good articleColorado State Highway 82 has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
January 8, 2013Peer reviewReviewed
February 15, 2013Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 20, 2012.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Colorado State Highway 82 (pictured, as Aspen's Main Street) intersects only one other state highway along its 85-mile (137 km) length?
Current status: Good article


reused paragraph note[edit]

The third paragraph of the Independence Pass section, on truck drivers who defy the ban, has been copied and pasted from the corresponding section of that article in this edit.

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Dough4872 (talk · contribs) 21:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    • I would use "SH 82" instead of Highway 82 in the prose as the abbreviation is already defined in the lead.
Three reasons for this:
  • "Highway 82" is the way most people in Colorado refer to it, as with all their other state roads.
  • We can write an intro. We cannot guarantee that people will read it first. It is therefore better to assume that it will not be enough to simply explain the abbreviation once in a section readers are likely to skip and then use it thereafter.
  • I have been told just using the two-letter abbreviation is very confusing to non-American readers unfamiliar with our highway naming schemes. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "Development along the highway becomes predominantly commercial, and south of 27th Street a continuous commercial strip begins on the east side as the valley narrows" uses commercial twice. One of the instances should be replaced.
 Done I just took the second one out. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "After two miles, the road bends to the southeast again as subdivisions begin to appear in the surrounding valley." needs to be reworded.
 Done "...amidst a valley with occasional subdivisions." Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "It is one more mile of due east travel to Basalt" needs to be reworded.
 Done"Basalt is one mile due east." Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "500 feet (150 m) short of the signal at the intersection with Basalt Avenue, the main route into that town from Highway 82" needs to be rephrased so it does not begin with a numeral.
 Done As it turns out, that was a fragment of something I cut, so it's gone entirely now. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "As Aspen–Pitkin County Airport appears on the west of the road, three miles (5 km) south of Woody Creek, it narrows and eventually disappears as development around the highway increases" sounds awkward.
 Done "...the roadways merge as development around the highway increases". Again, this was a result of taking some stuff out without looking closely at the impact on the rest of the text. Sorry I generated more work for you as a reviewer. Daniel Case (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "The resulting accidents that have forced the closure of the pass" is a fragment and needs to be fixed.
 Done Took out the "that". Funny how making a sentence shorter actually makes it complete in this instance. Daniel Case (talk) 18:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The sentence "When the second Midland again succumbed to bankruptcy in 1919, after Smuggler Mine, the city's largest and oldest, shut down most of its operations and several others closed, there was no second resurrection." is very long and choppy.
 Done "In 1919 Smuggler Mine, the city's largest and oldest, shut down most of its operations and several others closed. The second Midland again succumbed to bankruptcy; there was no second resurrection. Its ..." Daniel Case (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    • Reference 1 needs a publisher listed.
 Done That link, now dead, predated my editing of the article. I have replaced it with one that works and filled out the cite. Daniel Case (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not sure if a YouTube video is a reliable source.
I believe that per WP:VIDEOREF, it is in this instance. Daniel Case (talk) 13:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The video log references need to be completed.
See WP:IBID. I believe this is exactly the same principle. Daniel Case (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • "mesalek.com" is a WP:SPS and needs to be replaced with a reliable source.
 Done I took it and the supported claim out (it was a potential DYK hook but I never found anything better); it's not essential to the article. Daniel Case (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is still a Salek reference in the History in the sentence "When they opened, they were the first anywhere in a rural area of Colorado,[69] and possibly the country". Dough4872 00:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done That's gone now, too. Daniel Case (talk) 00:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reference 57 needs to be completed.
Again, see (ahem) WP:IBID. This is exactly that sort of thing. Daniel Case (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  3. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  4. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  5. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

I will place the article on hold for fixes to be made. Dough4872 01:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will be making most of these changes soon. Daniel Case (talk) 13:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment complete reference citations / cite templates are not required at GA. --Rschen7754 23:19, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nor anywhere, as WP:IBID would suggest. Daniel Case (talk) 00:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will now pass the article. Dough4872 00:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Connection to Interstate Highway System[edit]

I'm not sure what's meant by the second paragraph of the 1962–2000: Expansion section:

The Rio Grande discontinued passenger train service to Aspen in 1969. It was soon replaced the next year, when the completion of Interstate 70 through Glenwood Canyon connected the western terminus of Highway 82 to the larger Interstate Highway System.

The "next year" of 1970 doesn't seem to correspond to any of the relevant milestones in the I-70 corridor:

  • The two-lane precursor U.S. Routes 6 and 24 were completed in the late 1930s
  • The extension of I-70 west from Denver to Fort Cove, Utah, was authorized in the late 1950s
  • Construction of four-lane I-70 between Glenwood Springs and the No Name Tunnels was completed in 1965, and presumably included an interchange with SH 82
  • The tiered four-lane I-70 through Glenwood Canyon opened to traffic in October 1992

Can someone else clarify?

Msramming (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Msramming: I think was what the cited source said. I can't check it right now as I'm in Canada and the Google Books page is redirected to the .ca version, which is only the one for the whole book and not the specific page.

In any event it was one of those small-publisher railroad histories, and the people who write them ... well, they do their homework on the rail history, but perhaps I should have known better than to assume they would know their road history. Daniel Case (talk) 23:37, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Updating Grand Avenue Bridge section[edit]

The Grand Avenue Bridge section appears to be out of date. Since the activities described, a bridge connecting the I-70 West Glenwood Exit (Exit 114) to Midland Avenue was completed some time between 2002 and 2005 (Google Earth). This route is being used as a detour while Colorado DOT rebuilds the Grand Avenue Bridge.[1][2][3]

Msramming (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info and the sources. When I get back from Wikimania I'll see what I can get done. Daniel Case (talk) 23:29, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Months-Long Grand Avenue Bridge Closure Starts Monday, Aug. 14". Colorado Department of Transportation. Colorado Department of Transportation. Retrieved 11 August 2017.
  2. ^ "Grand Avenue Bridge Project Site". Colorado Department of Transportation. Colorado Department of Transportation. Retrieved 11 August 2017.
  3. ^ "Local Transportation Plans". City of Glenwood Springs. City of Glenwood Springs. Retrieved 11 August 2017.
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