Talk:Combat of the Thirty

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Making corrections to the article[edit]

Having followed the link to the verses recollecting the battle, it appears the article contains a few mistakes, which I'll try to correct using a number of sources. I'll expand a little with material from Encyclopedia Brittanica 1911 also (and possibly reword sections).

Most notably, the citation "Drink thy blood, Beaumanoir, and thy thirst will pass" is attributed to Bemborough, but it would appear he had been slain at that point.

Also, a little problem here is the name of the english captain "Robert Bemborough". Not only is the last name found in many variations (which is to be expected given they are variations of the same name: Bemborough, Bembrough, Bramborough, Pembroke, Brandenburg, you name it), Encyclopedia Brittanica 1911 names him John, the french Wikipedia version of the article "Richard" (and also Robert later in the article) and I'm a bit at a lost here. I'm going to stick with Robert Bemborough I guess. Equendil Talk 23:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalities and Duels[edit]

Just a comment..

The nationality of the combatants is in large part Breton. Of course this was during a Breton civil war where each side was supported by England and French crown. I would speculate many of these guys knew each other, and maybe wanted to settle some old scores, land, money, personal honor, etc. This would certainly be in keeping with what we know of feudal Europe. Anything on that? CJ DUB 13:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Combatants[edit]

The list of combatants is riddled with typos. It needs to be collated against a good printed source.--Wetman (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fate of the survivors[edit]

If you visit the chateau at Josselin you are given a guide which, in part, reads:

"In 1351, a memorable historic incident took place near Ploërmel, not far from Josselin, the famous << Battle of the Thirty >>. S evening fell that day, the victor, Captain de Beaumanoir, returned the prisoners to Josselin and had them executed."

There is no other reference to the battle.

So we're the prisoners? Were they the losers of the battle of other prisoners?

This seems so far from Wiki that either there were other prisoners that were executed, or Wiki is wrong, or it is just a local embellishment to make a guide more exciting.

Thoughts? John Decker NZ (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Anglo-Breton kights weren't executed[edit]

Some Anglo-Breton combatants died decades after the battle of the Thirty. Suggesting they weren't executed after the battle but instead ransomed. For example: Sir Hugh Calveley died 23 April 1394, and Sir Robert Knolles or Knollys died 15 August 1407. 174.250.211.38 (talk) 18:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent counting of dead[edit]

Infobox on France side says "2 dead"
Battle says "After several hours of fighting there were four dead on the French side"
Combatants says "The Franco-Breton side lost at least three"

It is understood there is some unclarity in sources, but the article should stick to one primary number and talk about the possible variation in just one place. 50.35.72.155 (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]