Talk:Common Sense Revolution

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What's with all the content about "cities"?? The over-emphasis on urban issues does not very accurately reflect the prevailing issues with the CSR. Certainly the megacity was an issue at the time, but it probably didn't even crack the top 3. Not sure it deserves its own paragraph, but I'll leave it.

-- well it's one of many issues - it just so happens that it's the most expanded on category - feel free to add additional content regarding other areas of the CSR.

--- It's easy to be the critic - you go out there and do the research... add more content in the other areas. I've noticed as a user you've added nothing to wikipedia - so get off the fence and do some of the work - instead of sitting there criticizing others. Themepark

On the contrary, I am the author of 90% of this article. I wrote it while studying in the UK based on research I did on the topic of Ontario Politics while at the University of Western Ontario studying under Professor Sid Noel. Problem is, it was my first contribution to wikipedia and had not yet created an account. So, I respectfully point out that the "get off the fence and do some of the work" comment is slightly out of line. The reason I removed the lines about municipal affairs is because I don't believe it reflects a NPOV with respect to the CSR. I went to great lengths in this article to represent the issue neutrally as between Conservatives and Liberals, which is difficult since it evokes strong emotions on both side of the fence. The impact of the Common Sense Revolution is highly controversial today, with the province essentially being split about whether they love it or hate it. Adding in content such as "Failings of both the CSR and the Blueprint became obvious in the second term. By 2003 the Toronto merger had failed to deliver any savings whatsoever." are inappropriate because it is in fact no way obvious that such "failings" occured or that the Toronto merger had "failed to deliver any savings whatsoever". I am not trying to destroy this article I am in fact trying to represnt a balanced and NPOV on a topic that is particularly sensitive in my home province. I didn't delete the larger paragraph about municipal affairs because, although I feel it exaggerates the importance of an issue, it is still in fact an issue. However the lines I did delete I believe are misleading and exactly the kind of thing that needs to be closely monitored on wikipedia. I'm sorry I am not a regular contributor to wikipedia, I only contribute on a few topics on which I am knowledgable or have done research. I don't know the protocols for discussion or deltions or whatever, but I do know when objective research is being misrepresented.

In light of the discontent with simply removing the items in question I edited them to remove partisan language and unsupported statements (for example, claiming that the quality of life in Toronto has been reduced is absurd). Perhaps I shouldn't have erased the items in their entirety in the first place, but I rashly suspected that they had been added by partisans who I have noticed frequently highjack wikipedia articles.


--- feel free to edit articles as to remove NPOV - I stand by my arguement of people who have no accounts who come by and alter articles - if your a contributer you should use an account as to add credibility to your changes. fyi - I did not add the comments about CSR has failed to produce savings for Toronto - but I do believe that is a factual statement. Several reports have concluded that changes made within the context of the CSR have not produced the savings promised. Feel free to expand on all areas of the CSR - the various mandates have had a profound effect on the Province, and it's questionable in todays context if they delivered what was promised.

I have deleted the first paragraph of the Retrospect Section. It should be re-written with somewhat less spin, perhaps reflecting reality in the province of Ontario, where Mike Harris is so unpopular that the current Conservative candidate refuses to acknowledge his name, according to recent articles in the local newspapers. --76.68.38.191 00:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Content of the CSR[edit]

"[the deficit] had reached a record $10 Billion deficit under the NDP".

This statement is misleading. The way it is written sounds as though it is the NDP's fault for the huge deficit. There were other causes as well, on the federal level at the time especially.

Please change this part, or I shall be bold and change it myself. It is not fair to blame the NDP without mentioning other causes for the debt. --Louiechefei28848888 (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have a link to an online copy of the actual document? 70.50.39.195 (talk) 05:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Origins[edit]

The CSR had its origins in Singapore actually. Margaret Thatcher said in her bibliography that what inspired her to privatize old government industries was based on the Singapore model Nicholas.tan (talk) 17:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revisionism[edit]

This article appears to have been compromised by Neo-Con partisans who view the CSR as an interesting experiment with some advantages and disadvantages. This is not quite the same perspective which most citizens of the province of Ontario have had of this experiment. People who actually live in Ontario tend to have an overwhelmingly negative view of the CSR.

Actually, I cannot think of any Ontario journalist or commentator (who was not closely connected with the Harris Government) who had anything good to say about the CSR after the fact. Much of the content on this article tends to omit significant aspects of experiential reality.

This article is due for some modest editing. Zenexp (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares about the populist media-informed views of people who live in Ontario? This is an international encyclopedia, which seeks to describe information as objectively as possible. This often includes a list of all authoritatively-cited pro and con arguments that have been brought up. Of course, the views of Ontario resident are relevant - it would be very appropriate to add information from a scientific poll asking Ontario residents about the CSR. This being said, anecdotal evidence such as what you argue is not sufficient. Similarly, even if most analysts and commentators have similar negative views of the CSR, all views on the topic must be presented. Of course, the preponderance of negative views can be mentionned, provided there is non-anecdotal evidence of this. 165.154.120.86 (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An army of zombie robots wreak desolation upon the land. But who cares about the populist media-informed views of people who live in Ontario? If 165.154.120.86 says the media is biased, then reality does not exist. Zenexp (talk) 04:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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