Talk:Community Security Trust

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Objectivity[edit]

Although a stub, this appears to be written as a corporate statement by either an employee and is therefore not an objective piece.

Furthermore a statement such as "and is recognised by Government and Police as a model of a minority community security organisation" needs citing and also when it was used - i.e. if it's a few years ago then the statement needs to be in the past tense, "in 2001 was referred to by xxx, as xxx."

I'd be interested also in how CST collate their data - is it via media monitoring, police reports etc.

I do not feel this meets the standards of Wikipedia - it really does read like a press release.--Gingerzilla (talk) 13:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the text is taken directly from the CST website, which is why it reads like that. I added some links to some CST publications as I thought that would help people understand more about the organisation. I should state at this point that I am a CST employee but I did not create the page, and I don't know who did. I think I added a bit of text (it was quite a while ago) but most of it was not written by me.

In answer to your other question, the data comes from first-hand reports by victims of antisemitic hate crime to CST, which offers security advice etc to UK Jews. This is explained in more detail in the Antisemitic Incidents report that is linked to on the page. Daverich (talk) 13:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This really isn't much of a discussion about the neutrality of the article. I'm the only person who has contributed to it in over 3 months. If nobody has anything else to say then I feel minded to remove the NPOV tag.Daverich (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK clearly nobody else is interested in this, so I am going to remove the NPOV tag.Daverich (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC) It looks to me to be an advert not a description. Keith-264 (talk) 12:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that this article has been repeatedly changed. I would argue that the paragraph I have now removed repeats information already cited in the previous paragraph. There does not seem like any added advantage or information from including the individuals who are directors of a company, that may have some links, although seemingly not confirmed, to the organisation that this page is about. As you will be able to see from my (brief) user history, my interest is mainly in Jewish charities, whereas the users who keep amending this article seem more interested in besmirching the organisation in question. Furthermore Gershon1 seems more interested in publicising Geoffrey Alderman and his writings, which from my research dont seem to have much factual basis or citation. I would urge Wiki to freeze any further edits of this page from anyone and keep it as the initial 5 paragraphs (Mitch.garver (talk) 17:38, 15 March 2012 (UTC))[reply]

The two paragraphs that have been re-instated give pertinent information about who ultimately controls the CST. Professor Alderman is an authority on British-Jewish history and his revelation (in the Jewish Chronicle) that Support Trustee Limited is the company trustee of the CST has never been challenged. Incidentally, the two bodies - CST and STL - both operate from the same London address. [Gershon1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gershon1 (talk • contribs) 10:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Community Security Trust, anything useful in these?

https://twitter.com/LisaBetenzos/status/1758052239887814717

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Community_Security_Trust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ronson#Criminal_conviction_and_the_%22Guinness_Four%22 Founder convict Htrowsle (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC[edit]

BAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:37, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Founding[edit]

It is not uncommon for organisations to exist for some time before they become charities. It would improve the article to include details of the organisation's founding. Jontel (talk) 11:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty strange that they don't give details about when they were founded on their website. I wasn't able to find anything on news articles about them either. Makes me legitimately curious how old the org actually is. I wonder if they may have gone by a different name in the past as well, which would make it harder possibly to find this info. Chillabit (talk) 07:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery solved, I think. I was right, they seem to have been named the Community Security Organisation (CSO), and a number of things prior to that. Seems to have been a reason the uncited stuff about Mosley, the British Union of Fascists, Battle of Cable Street, etc. was in the article -- they really did evolve out of the reaction to that situation it seems. Here's four sources on it I found: [1] [2][3][4]. Chillabit (talk) 07:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. If you did want to include the history of Jewish security in the UK prior to CST, I suppose that could go in a background section or in Antisemitism in the United Kingdom or British Jews or History of the Jews in England. Jontel (talk) 08:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know what JACOB and GRET were in this article [1]? 15:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

JACOB is going to be harder since it's exactly the same as a common name. As for GRET, I found the answer in the E.I. article from the Criticism section. [x] It says: The Group Relations Educational Trust (GRET) was founded by Gerald Ronson in 1978. Now CST chairman, Ronson wrote in his memoir Leading from the Front that he hoped GRET would “operate as a sort of umbrella organization” for the 62 Group and other militant anti-fascist groups. An OpenDemocracy article cited Gerald Ronson and Jeffrey Robinson, Leading from the Front: My Story. Random House, 2009, p. 245. for a similar claim about GRET, but added that it was founded "with support from Marcus Sieff, the chairman of Marks & Spencer." I tried to go to the website they used as a citation, but it seems like the URL was hijacked. That book could be a lead on JACOB, too. Chillabit (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. JACOB = Jewish Aid Committee of Britain. It's mentioned in the Times of Israel article. When I Google its name in quotes its name seems to pop up in some literature too. Chillabit (talk) 16:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great, and I've added a JC article mentioning it. Such teamwork :) 16:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)