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Clean up[edit]

A recent edit^[1] rewrote most of the article using a single source. I have tried to clean up the article.^[2]

The 55 citations to:

Saifiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri. The Sealed Nectar - alhamdulillah-library.blogspot.in.pdf (PDF).

have been consolidated, and changed to use the following format:

Al-Mubarakpuri, Safi-ur-Rahman (2008). The Sealed Nectar(Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum) (PDF). Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarrah, Saudi Arabia: Darussalam. p. 458. ISBN 978-9960899558. Retrieved 28 December 2021. Alternative URL</ref>

The Sealed Nectar is a genuine published book, which even won a prize. It considered by Wikipedia to be a reliable secondary source. Having the citations call it The Sealed Nectar - alhamdulillah-library.blogspot.in.pdf makes it look like a worthless blog; i.e. an unreliable source.

There is a need for page numbers for each instance of the book that is being cited.

In Wikipedia, the lead section of the article should contain a summary of the article, so I moved the new summary section to the lead section.
There is a standard format for headings in Wikipedia articles. It is best that this article uses it. So I have removed bolding from the Heading-3s.
I have also removed instances of excessive and inappropriate use of formatting devices such as italics and block quotations.

I am concerned that many of the old citations appear to be vestigial. Citations should be placed against statements they are there to support. They should not be gathered together at the end of paragraphs. (The latter style is fine in a published book – but does not work in Wikipedia because people are always changing the text in Wikipedia articles.)

I am concerned that the article is based on a single source, and ignores the many books published by scholars.

I am also concerned with the use of loaded terms like Helper (note the capitalisation). It is being used as though it were a proper noun! It would be better to use less-loaded common nouns or to use the Arabic term ansar (which is a common noun, and therefore not capitalised).-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Helper" is a proper noun. It is a translation of "Ansar" which was the NAME given to the people of Medina Noel Malik (talk) 23:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that someone needs to rewrite the article using paper books, not internet sources, and that the version dated 20:38, 21 December 2013 would be a good starting point for the rewrite.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are other sources[edit]

I've read the background and it uses one source. But there are older sources (in modern English translation), like from al-Tabari: There is a compilation of 40 volumes on archive.org, see History Of Islamic Kingdom 40 Volumes PDF. 7z Lugij (talk) 21:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Picture in background[edit]

Not a frequent wikipedia editor so let me know if I'm wrong, but what is the purpose of the photo of Mecca in 2012 in the background section? Seems pointless and it is also pretty low quality. Malekithwiki (talk) 22:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]