Talk:Console war

This article was nominated for deletion on 7 July 2015. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Article's merit vs redirect[edit]

This seems to be an valid and long-time extant article. If some users have an issue with its very existence, then there is a process for nominating it for deletion or moving the content to a different page or combining the articles. But nothing can be done without discussion. Nor does simply saying "duplicate article" in an edit summary make it so, when the articles are clearly different. User:OMPIRE has been asked in edit summaries for a valid reason and warned on his talk page about blanking this article and yet persists in deleting the entire article. I have been remiss in not opening a Talk Page for discussion here yet, but given the use of canned edit summaries I assumed no willingness to engage on the part of this user, and have violated 3RR myself in order to maintain the article's status quo in the face of vandalism and content-blanking. JesseRafe (talk) 12:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Completely agreed with above comment. Furthermore, it does not make any sense to simply redirect the page to History of video game consoles (third generation). The current content of the article contains much more information and details than that. --Cartakes (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A prod was added using the argument "article is entirely duplicate content from History of videogames and Hyperdimension Neptunia", but this is obviously not the case. As one example I looked for the string "Console wars do not necessarily have a clear winner in each case" but didn't find it in either of the other articles. The prod is therefore invalid and I will remove it; an AFD would be the next step if anyone believes that deletion is appropriate. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that this was reported some time ago to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:OMPIRE reported by User:JesseRafe (Result: ), but there don't seem to be any admins around. Now seems to be around the 13 revert mark, never mind 3RR. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After about a day OMPIRE was blocked. S/He will be back I presume, but looks like they finally listened at least a bit to protocol to make these steps and after a week this notice can come down, as I doubt any other editors will find it as, you say, it was possibly done incorrectly? I have no vested interest in this topic, just happened to make a passing-through edit and then noticed a hullabaloo shortly thereafter. JesseRafe (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So is the AFD page fixed, or valid? Trivialist (talk) 22:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have just fixed it myself. It is at least now listed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 July 7. --Cartakes (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:X201/Console wars[edit]

I think a lot of good information could be gleaned from this article.--Coin945 (talk) 07:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect[edit]

Just to provide more context than an edit summary can allow, I wanted to outline the full reasoning for redirecting this article on the talk page. First, there is little doubt a quality article could be written on this topic, which is fine. The reason the current text had to go, however, is that it was not actually about the topic. As a concept, the "console war" first manifested when Mattel began producing aggressive head-to-head advertising pitting the superior graphics of their Intellivision against the Atari VCS. The idea of a console war did not really permeate mainstream thought, however, until the particularly bitter Sega vs. Nintendo rivalry of the early 1990s. Now the term is often applied generically to competition between multiple systems in a single console generation, though it is still often reserved for those (increasingly rare) moments when hardware companies take direct swipes at one another.

The article I redirected merely provides a litany of consoles released in each generation, material already found elsewhere on Wikipedia and which does nothing to explain the origin, meaning, or impact of the console war concept and how the use of the term has shifted over time. I would welcome that article should someone decide to write it, but as it stood the article was both meaningless and useless. Indrian (talk) 19:55, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument above, but a decision like this really needs to be made at WP:AfD, not by an individual editor. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually no. I am not advocating the article be deleted, which is the sole purpose of bringing something to afd. While afd often ends in redirect, an article can be redirected by anyone. However, as a compromise I will happily just stub the article instead, as I don't have any problem with the concept itself. Indrian (talk) 00:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on the stubbing. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:35, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone is wondering about the general practice of deletion by redirection, see WP:BLAR, WP:ATD-R, and WP:D-R. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Point of View[edit]

This article seems to be written from one companies point of view, though the title would signify it as an independent viewpoint, and heavily on one specific American 'console war.'.Halbared (talk) 10:51, 14 February 2021 (UTC) I think Wikipedia:PROPORTION is probably the best descriptor here.Halbared (talk) 11:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The "big" console war is Sega v Nintendo and specifically on Sega entering the US market, so the emphasis on the US one there is important. Now, yes, there probably could be more about what Nintendo did in that , though I know most accounts all approach it from Sega's side of the story and do not give more importance to Nintendo since they were more passive until after Sega got market share. The article should be structured to add more if more can be found. As for console wars in other regions, we'd need sources to support that - the problem with prior iterations of this article was original research backing the claims up and no sources for it. If there was a console war in Japan, for example, that we can document, then we can add it. --Masem (t) 13:59, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]