Talk:Constitution Party of Florida

This article was nominated for deletion on 3 January 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was redirect to Constitution Party (United States).

Individual Notability[edit]

I'm not seeing any reason as to why this state level party is notable. They've never had anyone elected and the national party has only ever had one person elected at any level (state). Even then, the party that he represented wasn't affiliated with the national level organization at the time so notability most certainly isn't inherited by 49 other states. I haven't seen any reason given that cites any notability guideline as to why this state level party is notable, even after requesting a discussion on the talk page. Even though notability must be established for an article to exist, I'll play along here and start this discussion, asking anyone else to establish notability. OlYeller21^Talktome 01:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a link to a failed proposal for a notability guideline concerning politcal parties: WP:Notability (political parties)

The notability of most current state political parties is trivial, as I see it. But there are many articles, such as the Constitution Party of Pennsylvania, the Constitution Party of Oregon or even the Socialist Party of Florida that do not seem notable, yet they have articles. They are affiliated with the current politcal parties of the United States (although Oregon's Constitution party is now not affiliated), and are as such notable, apparently, as there doesn't appear to be a consensual guideline of notability concerning political parties. Also, as this is the state chapter of the Constitution party, not the national party, I view a redirect to the national party's article as ridiculous, especially when this state party has received over 5% of the vote in an election (albeit a county election). Royal Mate1 01:54, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to sound crass but I don't see the value to this discussion if it failed.

I agree that those other state level parties, at least for the Constitution Party, are not notable. I've redirected a few to the national level party but some, even though they haven't gotten anyone elected to any office, do appear notable per WP:GNG. That they exist as article doesn't establish notability and WP:OTHERSTUFF specifically covers that their notability or lack-there-of has no bearing on this case. As organizations, they would need to satisfy WP:GNG or WP:ORG like any other organization. As for receiving 5% of a vote in a county election, I don't see what notability guideline that covers. It might help them to receive significant coverage from independent and reliable sources but on its own, it seems like a WP:BIGNUMBER argument to me. OlYeller21^Talktome 02:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really a WP:BIGNUMBER argument, but I see how I made it sound like such. A quick search of Bernie Decastro or the party shows a decent number of news articles (independent sources) popularizing the party's nomination of an ex-con. However I don't know the party's current status vis-a-vis Florida but I think it may satisfy WP:GNG. Royal Mate1 02:28, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like the best way to establish notability. Can you link any article that are about the state party and not about the candidate or the national party? I think there's still a grey area in there but that would be the most concrete way to establish notability. OlYeller21^Talktome 02:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found some articles that mention the party's role in a staged presidential assasination rumor from a Tennesse Rep., one from the Huffington Post [1][2] and surely others. Royal Mate1 04:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I put all these articles about state Constitutional Party on my mental to do list yesterday. At first glance it just looked like an attempt to boost the party's presence here and I'm considering a group AfD. Dougweller (talk) 05:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I missed the last message from Royal. I think those articles could be used to establish Keisling's notability (ignoring WP:ONEEVENT), if he wasn't already notable under WP:POLITICIAN. I don't believe they establish notability for the Constitution Party of Tennessee as they're not significant coverage of the party.

I think there are some that may be notable but definitely not all. Even if some are, most of the articles are verbatim copies of information found in the national party's article. I considered an all encompassing AfD but I'm not sure that their fate is fundamentally linked as I feel that one state party can be notable while another is not. I'm not sure how to get around that outside of starting several AfDs. Maybe a group AfD would be the best start and we can work from there? OlYeller21^Talktome 06:11, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an old discussion, but given I remade the page I think I should put in my two cents. The FCP has elected two mayors at least and I am looking for more possibly. I believe this is notable enough but correct me if I am wrong. Certainly more so than the Reform Party of Florida which has never gotten close to electing anyone ever. User:Asa289 Talktome 02:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, that wasn't a good idea. Redirect restored.≤ User:Asa289 Talktome 02:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]