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A fact from Cora Victoria Diehl appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after Cora Victoria Diehl (pictured) was elected as the first woman to hold office in Oklahoma Territory, county records had to be recovered with dynamite when the incumbent refused to concede?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cora Victoria Diehl.

Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Photo of Diehl circa. 1893

... that after Cora Victoria Diehl (pictured), the first woman elected in Oklahoma Territory, won her election three men who did not run for the office against her claimed the seat resulting in court case Duvall v. Diehl? Source: https://ojs.library.okstate.edu/osu/index.php/OKPolitics/article/view/902/811
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- Comment: first time nominating one of these, please let me know if I've done anything incorrectly

5x expanded by TulsaPoliticsFan (talk). Self-nominated at 22:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cora Victoria Diehl; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

@TulsaPoliticsFan: Technically your expansion isn't quite long enough, as DYK only counts prose text, not references, etc. Before you started your expansion, the article was at 1199 characters; you're now at 4286 characters. Do you think you could add more meaningful content and further expand the article to 5995 characters? Cielquiparle (talk) 05:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was gonna DYK it as a new article I wrote on the 3rd, but I didn't think to try and do that until the 14th (never done one of these before and didn't realize it was within one week and not two weeks), so since I was outside the one week by 4 days I tried to do the expansion route. I'm not sure I can expand it much more, but I can try. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TulsaPoliticsFan: I found another source you could use to expand the article. It looks like she was also referred to by her married name i.e. Cora Diehl Harvey. https://www.proquest.com/docview/2825707989?pq-origsite=gscholar&fromopenview=true Nathan121212 (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, added the article to the biography. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TulsaPoliticsFan: No problem. I also found a case Board of County Commissioners of Logan County v. Harvey you can add to the article. Nathan121212 (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Hook suggestion~~ ALT1: After Cora Victoria Diehl became the first woman elected in Oklahoma Territory, three men who didn't run sued to take her office? Bremps... 05:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: @TulsaPoliticsFan: I believe the article has been 5x expanded now. I think we also need to establish whether she should be called Diehl or Harvey. A lot of sources refer to her as Harvey after her marriage. Nathan121212 (talk) 18:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nathan121212 and TulsaPoliticsFan: Well done, yes it's "long enough" of an expansion now! Could you also please de-orphan the article? We can't send it to the main page with an orange tag at the top. Let me know if you need pointers – but basically you just need to look for/think of other pages from which you can link to this article. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle and Nathan121212:, The article has be de-orphaned. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that after Cora Victoria Diehl (pictured) was elected as the first woman to hold office in Oklahoma Territory, county records had to be recovered with dynamite when the incumbent refused to concede ~~the election~~? TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating topic. Article is new enough, long enough, with inline citations and neutrally written. Earwig score is high at 40.5% but this is mainly due to direct quotes which are correctly attributed; spot check suggests copyvio is not a problem (though it would be better if we could layer in additional sources in the passages where Benson's Oklahama Politics article is cited at length). Photo of Diehl was published in 1893 and is PD. Hooks check out and are interesting, but striking ALT0 because it is awfully wordy and confusing. Main outstanding issue is reliance on a master's thesis as a key source; per WP:RS (specifically WP:SCHOLARSHIP), Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. @TulsaPoliticsFan and Nathan121212: Would you be able to find alternate sources for the facts attributed to the 2023 master's thesis? For example, I took a quick look in Newspapers.com and found 46 articles for "Cora D. Harvey" that look promising. If you don't have access, you could ask for help at Women in Red to see if someone else could help. And/or look for other sources in Wikipedia Library (manual lookups in several individual databases) and Google Books. Cielquiparle (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TulsaPoliticsFan: Can you please address the above? I see Bluemoonset has left a message on your talk page notifying you of the comments in this nom. Z1720 (talk) 19:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did what I could on adding a few sources and trimming the reliance on the Master's thesis. There are only two citations to it left if anyone is able to help me find replacement sources for them. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Additional sources may be found at WP:LIBRARY, Google Scholar, archive.org, DOAJ.org, or through databases accessed through your local library system. Z1720 (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TulsaPoliticsFan, Z1720, and Cielquiparle: I've added a number of citations using Newspapers.com via WP:LIBRARY, to support the information previously cited to the Master's thesis. I think the concern has been adequately addressed now. I recommend retaining at least one citation to the thesis, since it extensively cites additional sources. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT1 and ALT2. @Mary Mark Ockerbloom, TulsaPoliticsFan, and Nathan121212: Happy new year and nice work in getting this over the line. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life[edit]

Was she really "deputy register for the office of the register of deeds" starting 1878 at 9 years of age? I don't have access to the source to check. Alien878 (talk) 08:08, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Alien878, I've added a decade to those dates. Hopefully that's right. JennyOz (talk) 09:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]