Talk:Coronation of the French monarch

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Requested move 1[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved to Coronation of the French monarch by Blaue Max, who is hereby trouted for moving an article at RM. --BDD (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coronations in France → Royal coronations in France – this is about the coronation of the royalty of France, not other types of coronations in France (like the Avignon popes) 70.24.250.103 (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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'Oppose. Nonsense. Even if it did make any sense, strictly speaking, Avignon popes were not crowned in the Kingdom of France but in the Holy Roman Empire (the County of Provence being a part of it). Surtsicna (talk) 10:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment in any case, the title would be Royal coronation in France. Red Slash 17:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. As a point of interest, there are now a number of articles in the style 'Coronation of the XXX monarch'. See also Coronations in Europe for various styles. EdJohnston (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation of the French monarch → Coronations in France or Coronation in France –- Consorts (queens) and heirs aparent were also crowned, not just monarchs (kings). The article already describes the coronation of the king and of the heir apparent, though we only have a sentence about the coronation of the queen. Relisted. BDD (talk) 22:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC) Surtsicna (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. French monarchs have been crowned outside France (see Charlemagne), foreign monarchs have been crowned in France (sse William I). "Coronation of the French monarch" is not misleading Blaue Max (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Then how about Coronation of the French monarch → Coronation of the French kings and queens? The present title is far from the best one. Surtsicna (talk) 22:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There has never been a queen regnant in France, the coronation of a queen consort was a minor event, with much less political importance, some queen of France were never crowned. Anyway, the term "monarch" encompasses "kings" and "queen".Blaue Max (talk) 07:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, only queens regnant are monarchs. Queens consort are consorts. The coronation of a queen consort was not politically as significant as that of a king but it was certainly not a minor event. Had it been considered insignificant, such elaborate and expensive ceremonies would not have been held. Some kings of France were never crowned either. Surtsicna (talk) 09:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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