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Health care workers percentage?

What do the "Health care worker" row percentages in the 2012 and 2002 columns mean? Are they the percentage of all healthcare workers in the world that contracted the disease, the percentage of those "involved", the fatality rate among healthcare workers, or ...? The 2019 column just has the number "16" with an uncited note. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

As of February,1716 infected health workers of which 6 died.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-medics/china-says-1716-health-workers-infected-by-coronavirus-idUSKBN2080MA
(Angunnu (talk) 11:54, 29 February 2020 (UTC))
  • It cannot be percent, I think it’s case fatalities reported,should be a typo .I couldn’t edit it in the page .(Angunnu (talk) 11:57, 29 February 2020 (UTC))
@Yug is the author of {{Coronavirus data/Patients characteristics}}, from which the table is transcluded. Perhaps they can comment here? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
The source paper is from Juanary 24th, when 830 cases were known. This study is from one cohort studied (47?). 6 health workers got sick (absolute number). Check the source for more. Yug (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yug: I'm afraid I don't understand your response. My question is what is the meaning of these numbers (what exactly do they describe, in words), and what exactly is the source for each (enough info to create a proper citation):

SARS-CoV-2 MERS-CoV SARS-CoV
Health-care workers 16 9.8% 23.1%

Some possible ways to interpret it as it currently stands are:

  1. "16" is the number of healthcare workers infected (0.020% of 80,423)
  2. "16" is the number of healthcare workers dead (0.59% of 2,708)
  3. 9.8% of the cases reported were healthcare workers (244 of 2,494)
  4. 9.8% of the deaths reported were healthcare workers (84 of 858)
  5. 23.1% of the cases reported were healthcare workers (1870 of 8,096)
  6. 23.1% of the deaths reported were healthcare workers (172 of 744)

Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi AlanM1. I don't remember. Best is to check the source paper. Yug (talk) 23:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Seems to be the absolute numbers of cases (not necessarily dead) compared to whole epidemics. Yug (talk) 00:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


v2.0 : draft in progress, help welcolme

I searched dozens of papers for key characteristics of the COVID19. I need help for SARS, MERS. Seasonal flu is just for personal reference and is expected to be removed soon. If you have info for a cell, contribution welcome. Yug (talk) 15:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Characteristics of patients who have been infected with
SARS-CoV-2, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV[1] (
)
Virus SARS-CoV-2[a] MERS-CoV SARS-CoV H1N1, H3N2
Disease COVID-19 Middle East respiratory syndrome Severe acute respiratory syndrome Seasonal flu
Epidemiology
Detection date December 2019 June 2012 November 2002 Endemic (n.a.)
Detection place Wuhan, China Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Guangdong, China Endemic (n.a.)
Confirmed cases 88,585[b] 2494 8096 5~15,000,000/y
Case fatality rate 3,043[b] (3.44%) 858 (37%) 744 (10%) 290-650,000 (0.1%)
Basic reproduction number 2.2 (95% CI:1.4–3.9)[2][3]

2.68 (95% CI:2.47–2.86)[4]

1.3
Serial interval period 7.5±3.4 days (95% CI:5.3–19)[2]
Demographic
Age average 49 56 39.9
Age range 21–76 14–94 1–91
Male:female ratio 2.7:1 3.3:1 1:1.25
Health-care workers 16[c] 9.8% 23.1%
Symptoms
Fever 40 (98%) 98% 99–100%
Dry cough 31 (76%) 47% 29–75%
Dyspnea/short breath 22 (55%) 72% 40–42%
Diarrhea 1 (3%) 26% 20–25%
Sore throat 0 21% 13–25%
Ventilatory support 9.8% 80% 14–20%
Prognostic/Evolution
Incubation 5.5 days (1–14)[5][6] or

5.2 days (95% CI:4.1–7.0)[2]

2-4 days
Onset Day 0 Day 0
First medical visit +4.6 days (95% CI:4.1–5.1)[2]
Hospital admission +7.0 days (4.0–8.0)[7] or

+12.5 days (95% CI:10.3–14.8)[2][3]

+9.1 days (95% CI:8.6–9.7)[2][3]

Dyspnea/short breath +8.0 days (5.0–13.0)[7]
ARDS +9.0 days (8.0–14.0)[7]
Mechanical ventilation / ICU +10.5 days (7.0–14.0)[7]
Recovery +22.2 days (95% CI:18–83)[8]
Dead +14 days (6–41)[9] or

hospitalization + 12.4[10]

+22.3 days (95% CI:18–82)[8]

Notes
  1. ^ Symptoms were based on the first 41 patients.
  2. ^ a b Data: 2020-03-01.
  3. ^ Data as of 21 January 2020; other data up to 21 January 2020. Published on 24 January 2020.

Yug (talk) 10:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Wang, Chen; Horby, Peter W.; Hayden, Frederick G.; Gao, George F. (24 January 2020). "A novel outbreak of global health concern". The Lancet. 395 (10223): 470–473. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30185-9. PMC 7135038. PMID 31986257.
  2. ^ a b c d e f Li, Qun; Guan, Xuhua; Wu, Peng; Wang, Xiaoye; Zhou, Lei; Tong, Yeqing; Ren, Ruiqi; Leung, Kathy S.M.; Lau, Eric H.Y.; Wong, Jessica Y.; Xing, Xuesen (2020-01-29). "Early Transmission Dynamics in Wuhan, China, of Novel Coronavirus–Infected Pneumonia". New England Journal of Medicine. 382 (13): 1199–1207. doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2001316. ISSN 0028-4793. PMC 7121484. PMID 31995857.
  3. ^ a b c Fauci, Anthony S.; Lane, H. Clifford; Redfield, Robert R. (2020-02-28). "Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted". New England Journal of Medicine. 382 (13): 1268–1269. doi:10.1056/NEJMe2002387. ISSN 0028-4793. PMC 7121221. PMID 32109011.
  4. ^ Wu, Joseph T.; Leung, Kathy; Leung, Gabriel M. (2020-02-29). "Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of the 2019-nCoV outbreak originating in Wuhan, China: a modelling study". The Lancet. 395 (10225): 689–697. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(20)30260-9. ISSN 0140-6736. PMC 7159271. PMID 32014114.
  5. ^ "Q&A on coronaviruses (COVID-19) : How long is the incubation period for COVID-19?". www.who.int. Retrieved 2020-03-02.
  6. ^ "Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Report – 29" (PDF). World Health Organization. 2020-02-19.
  7. ^ a b c d Ronco, Claudio; Navalesi, Paolo; Vincent, Jean Louis (2020-02-06). "Coronavirus epidemic: preparing for extracorporeal organ support in intensive care". The Lancet Respiratory Medicine. 8 (3): 240–241. doi:10.1016/S2213-2600(20)30060-6. ISSN 2213-2600. PMC 7154507. PMID 32035509.
  8. ^ a b "Report 4: Severity of 2019-novel coronavirus (nCoV)" (PDF). WHO Collaborating Centre for Infectious Disease Modelling MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis. 2020-02-10.
  9. ^ W, Wang; J, Tang; F, Wei (April 2020). "Updated Understanding of the Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Wuhan, China". Journal of Medical Virology. 92 (4): 441–447. doi:10.1002/jmv.25689. PMC 7167192. PMID 31994742.
  10. ^ Famulare, Mike (2020-02-19). "2019-nCoV: preliminary estimates of the confirmed-case-fatality-ratio and infection-fatality-ratio, and initial pandemic risk assessment". institutefordiseasemodeling.github.io. Retrieved 2020-03-02.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf This is a good source (Angunnu (talk) 11:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC))

https://www.who.int/csr/don/24-february-2020-mers-saudi-arabia/en/ For MERS (Angunnu (talk) 11:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC))

Interesting but wouldn't it violate WP:SYNTHESIS? Cinadon36 15:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

There is no abusive conclusion, just informative data. Yug (talk) 16:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Your case fatality rate looks like WP:OR. We should be citing what the literature reports on this, not trying to calculate the number directly from data we have available. Bondegezou (talk) 12:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:No_original_research#Routine_calculations Yug (talk) 19:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, I think such numbers can be included on the page, at least for the coronavirus disease, but they all must be sourced. For example, where the basic reproduction number for the seasonal flu came from? My very best wishes (talk) 20:20, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Case fatality is not a routine calculation. We have discussed this numerous times and repeatedly come to that conclusion. Bondegezou (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
One simply needs a better source for ref [b]. This is 3.4% according to WHO [1], and this number is widely cited here and elsewhere. This is key number, and it absolutely must be included, even in the lead. Right now it only appears on the page in connection with false statements by Trump. Must be fixed. My very best wishes (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The article should definitely talk about mortality rates, but it should do so based on numbers given in WP:MEDRS-compliant sources. Bondegezou (talk) 08:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bondegezou: I'am quite tired of the petty "CFR is not routine calculation". Per wikipedia :
"Case fatality rate (CFR) — sometimes called case fatality risk or case fatality ratio — is the proportion of deaths from a certain disease compared to the total number of people diagnosed with the disease for a certain period of time."
So yes, CFR is Wikipedia:No_original_research#Routine_calculations. Then, interpretation need to be an informed reader about its limitations. The stage of the epidemic matters, the date, the undetected / detected ratio matters for a better understanding. This shouldn't encourage to censor the CFR routine calculation. It either fall on the reader to instruct her/himself by clicking on Case fatality rate and reading it, or to us to add ref notes duplicating the Case fatality rate article's content. But pretending we cannot do a routine division is surprisingly petty, while it also force-hand us to fall back upon outdated and therefor less relevant external sources, degrading the quality of the information we provide. Yug (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
The matter has been discussed multiple times now on the main article's Talk page and the consensus is that this is not a routine calculation. It is not "petty" to respect an expressed consensus. Bondegezou (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
FYI, I made the following change in the article: Added to the intro "...or SARS-1)" and "...or SARS-CoV-1)", as alternate names being used in the year 2020. Acwilson9 (talk) 18:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Closures and Quarantine

I just have one question why are people still outside and business is still open in order for us to prevent this from spreading the government must force people to stay home and shut down unnecessary businesses that are not important right now we need the government to enforce this that’s the only way it’s going to happen they did it in other countries why can’t we do it here I’m getting so worried and scared Nadiasli (talk) 15:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Does "COVID" include SARS, MERS, etc.?

This article starts out by saying that coronavirus diseases are also known as COVID. However, I have only ever seen this term used for COVID-19, the current outbreak. Are there any sources that use "COVID" as a more general category that includes SARS, MERS, and other coronavirus infections? 72.209.60.95 (talk) 23:11, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The term "COVID" was coined during this outbreak/pandemic. It was coined by the UN WHO, to refer to all such coronavirus diseases. -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

editrequest - portal COVID19

Please add the COVID-19 portal to the See Also section

{{portal|Coronavirus disease 2019}}

or

{{portalbar|Coronavirus disease 2019}}

-- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 18:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Mdaniels5757 (talk) 18:25, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request - common cold

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Most human coronaviruses cause the common cold. So the common cold is a disease that results for a coronavirus infection.[1] Thus this should appear, please add an entry to the See Also section for this.

See also
  • Common cold, a disease caused by common forms of human coronaviruses

-- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 18:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Samuel Baron, ed. (1996). "Chapter 60: Coronaviruses". Medical Microbiology (4th ed.). Galveston, Texas, USA: The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. ISBN 0-9631172-1-1. PMID 21413252. {{cite book}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
 Not done: This doesn't seem to be correct. We need multiple reliable sources to prove this is true. We can't rely on one source. Interstellarity (talk) 21:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
What is incorrect about it? The U.S. National Institutes of Health isn't a sufficient authority for you? (they're hosting that book, apparently as a standard text) According to our own article Common cold, it lists that 15% of common colds are caused by Coronaviruses. According to our article Coronavirus, it causes the common cold. Other material: [1][2][3][4][5][6] -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Common Cold. Springer. 2009. p. 131. ISBN 9783764399122. It is estimated that approximately 25% of common cold cases are caused by coronaviruses {{cite book}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
  2. ^ Office of Research Reporting and Public Response (July 1975). "Common Cold". Infectious Diseases Research. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. NIH 76-167 (U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare).
  3. ^ A Practical Guide to Clinical Virology. John Wiley & Sons. 2003. p. 65. ISBN 9780470856871. Coronaviruses are the second most frequent cause of the common cold (15–20%). They are single-stranded RNA viruses belonging to the Coronaviridae family. The virions vary in diameter from 80 to 160 nm. {{cite book}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
  4. ^ S. Siddell (1995). The Coronaviridae. Springer. p. 391. ISBN 9780306449727. The Tecumseh study showed that either 229E or OC43 was dominant in any one year. Studies of coronaviruses as causes of clinical illness have shown that coronaviruses are second only to rhinoviruses as the causes of the common cold.
  5. ^ Warren Levinson (2006). Review of Medical Microbiology and Immunology. McGraw Hill Professional. pp. 268, 497. ISBN 9780071460316. ISSN 1042-8070.

    Coronavirus : Common cold, SARS : Three : No : -- : -- : None

    — pp268

    Coronavirus- Diseases: Common cold and SARS

    — pp497
  6. ^ Medical Virology. Gulf Professional Publishing. 1994. p. 451. ISBN 9780127466422. No convincing evidence has yet been obtained to link human coronaviruses with serious disease affecting any of these systems, but they are an important cause of that trivial but annoying disease, the common cold. {{cite book}}: Cite uses deprecated parameter |authors= (help)
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