Talk:Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other

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Good articleCowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 7, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 8, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
August 18, 2006Good article nomineeListed
October 28, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 7, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
June 6, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
June 29, 2012Good article nomineeListed
July 21, 2012Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Good article

Expansion[edit]

The article needs (per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other):

  • To get rid of the weasel word "Most sources speculate about the potential success of the song" in the Possible reception section.
  • basic facts such as sales figures, release date, and which record charts the song has appeared on

Hyacinth 12:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File[edit]

The articles I have read describe the song as available as an MP3 from iTunes, not an M4P. Hyacinth 11:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those articles are incorrect. I have the actual song file from iTunes and it is indeed an m4p (AAC) file. iTunes offers no other format, nor does any other online store offer the song. Cjmarsicano 19:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In reality though, M4Ps are MP4s. -- Zanimum 01:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination has failed[edit]

The Good article nomination for Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other has failed, for the following reason:

It looks generally very good and suitable for listing on GA, but the expansion tag should either be addressed or removed before it can be listed. One suggestions I'd make, though, is to not have a quote from a magazine in the very first sentence - just describe what the article is about and save quotes for later on, otherwise it looks somewhat like a fan piece.
Worldtraveller 00:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Both quotes simply describe the song without being positive, so I'm not sure how they would make the article look like a "fan piece".
More importantly, are you saying that attempting to address the impediments to this being a featured article means that it can't be a good one? Isn't that what good articles are? Hyacinth 21:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See Henry Cowell. Hyacinth 00:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"He Was a Friend of Mine"[edit]

"He Was a Friend of Mine' is credited to McGuinn/Traditional, it seems likely that this is where Nelson heard it, and it does not sound like a blues song. Perhaps we could call it a folk standard also performed by the Byrds? Hyacinth 21:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Called it "traditional". Hyacinth 21:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination has passed[edit]

The Good article nomination for Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other has passed.

I found it well written, everything was referenced, and basically a good article.

Thankyoubaby 16:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I was skeptical at first, but it's an interesting read and well cited. Nice job! Kafziel 16:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Similar songs"[edit]

Seems to me neither of the songs listed there are at all similar; I'm considering striking this section, as the analysis seems OR. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section merged and improved. Hyacinth 03:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Title[edit]

The cover of Nelson's single lists the title as "Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly (Fond of Each Other)", that is, without the comma and with parentheses. Why is this not listed anywhere in the article? And what, if anyone (anywhere) knows, what his impetus for slightly altering the title? -- Kicking222 02:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps its grammar or some other standard. I notice that most of the sources use the comma. Hyacinth 03:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The discography for the release of Sublette's original version on GPS lists the title as Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly.[1] Searching ASCAP's website[2] shows that the main title listed is COWBOYS ARE FREQUENTLY SECRETLY and that there are two variations listed, one with parenthesis and one without (though there is apparently not enough room to list the alternate titles in full.) No commas are listed, but I'm not sure whether or not ASCAP ever includes commas--that might not be possible in their database. Pansy Division listed it on their releases as Cowboys Are Freqently Secretly Fond of Each Other[3]. I think the article title probably should change, as it doesn't reflect the published or released title of the song.--Larrybob (talk) 21:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not just me then. That comma is ungrammatical. You wouldn't say "I am sometimes, a little hungry", or "I always, have toast for breakfast". But certainly "I am frequently sick of poor grammar". It's obviously a typo that been continued by others too ignorant to correct it. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nelson support of gay rights - OR?[edit]

The statement:

Nelson's recording suggests that, in addition to other causes, he supports gay rights ref name=Caballeros>Mayhew, Malcolm (February, 2006). http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_km4467/is_200602/ai_n16296672 "Gay Caballeros" Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Accessed 05/08/07. end ref

smacks of OR - I was unable to access the reference to verify and so I hid the comment within the article until someone can verify and re-write in less ambiguous terms.207.69.137.21 02:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How does it smack of OR? I would argue it smacks of common knowledge. I have readded the comment and found a link for the citation, which is and was used elsewhere in the article.
See Wikipedia:Cite_sources#What_to_do_when_a_reference_link_.22goes_dead.22. Hyacinth (talk) 15:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punctuation and citations[edit]

What is the guideline for the placement of punctuation and citations? Hyacinth (talk) 09:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Register#Punctuation_and_inline_citations. Hyacinth (talk) 05:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will be doing the GA Reassessment of this article as part of the GA Sweeps project.

I have some issues with this article:

The first line has the quote, "the famouse gay cowboy song" with a reference, but if that is a direct quote then the person who said it should be in the article. There's a second quote in the next sentence, also referenced but with no attribution. Per WP:CITE references should be placed after punctuation marks, and preferrably at the end of sentences. There are several spots were in-line citations appear in the middle of sentences. But my primary concern are the five dead links in the reference section, the digisoul link at the end of the Reception section is also dead. Finally the Stream link in the external links section is also dead. Considering all the dead links the article is basically unreferenced. The dead reference links include 2, 4, 14, 15, and 16. I am going to delist the article at this time. Please reference it better and address some of my concerns and renominate at WP:GAC. H1nkles (talk) 02:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2 is archived but I won't pay to access. 4 and 14 appear to change their content regularly without archive. 15 is fixed. Nothing is wrong with 16.
That still leaves the majority of reference links (13/16 or 26/39), not "basically unreferenced". Hyacinth (talk) 06:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Through use of the Wayback Machine only one link is dead, and it is now marked as such. Hyacinth (talk) 00:27, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Now no links are dead! Hyacinth (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:CITEFOOT: "The citation should be added close to the material it supports, offering text-source integrity." Hyacinth (talk) 09:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Status (talk · contribs) 00:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • The first sentence is rather long; why not separate it into two? Maybe something like: "Cowboys Are Frequently, Secretly Fond of Each Other" (1981) is a song by Latin country musician Ned Sublette, whose music, according to Howard Cohen, features a "lilting West Texas waltz (3/4 time at about 60–90 beats per minute) feel". The song is, according to Gene Tyranny, "the famous gay cowboy song".
  • The lyrics satirize the stereotypes associated with cowboys and gay men, such as in the lyrics relating western wear to the leather subculture with the line, "What did you think all them saddles and boots was about?" --> Colon before the lyric. I'm not going to restate these types of issues later, but when there is a lyric or full quote, a colon is needed before it.
  • (iTunes single February 14, 2006) --> Isn't needed.

Sublette's version[edit]

  • Original version would be a more appropriate title.
  • Says - stated that

Nelson's version[edit]

  • Full name should appear in the heading.
  • iTunes digital download --> Digital download
  • Lost Highway Records --> Lost Highway
  • Nelson received a tape of the song from Saturday Night Live Band bassist Tony Garnier after performing on the show[9] in the mid to late 1980s and according to the Sublette, "Willie took it from there"[4] though Nelson recently found that demo in a drawer among a stack of his own while recording unreleased songs for iTunes at his Spicewood, Texas home studio --> This is, also, too long of a sentence. How about: Nelson received a tape of the song from Saturday Night Live Band bassist Tony Garnier after performing on the show[9] in the mid to late 1980s. According to the Sublette: "Willie took it from there" though Nelson recently found that demo in a drawer among a stack of his own while recording unreleased songs for iTunes at his Spicewood, Texas home studio.
  • There are plans to release the song on a future album --> Sort of outdated, since this is from six years ago. "There were plans..."
  • the Round Up Saloon (in Oak Lawn), in February --> February, of what year?
  • No --> number. This appears as an issue many times.

References[edit]

  • Some incorrect date formatting. Such as "3:00 p.m. ET February 17, 2006"
  • Pick which date format you want to use throughout the article, the content goes MDY, while the refs go both MDY and DMY.
  • There are also publishers missing for the references. Such as AllMusic, the publisher is Rovi Corporation. Also, websites are not used as works. The work for ref 14, for example, would be Billboard and the publisher would be Prometheus Global Media. Check to make sure there are no other issues similar.
Edited accordingly. Hyacinth (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • All issues have been addressed. Passing the article! Statυs (talk) 00:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your time. Hyacinth (talk) 07:31, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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