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Improvement

  • This seems to have started as a WOSM Cub Scout article and migrated into a BSA Cub Scout article. The whole lead-in needs to be updated, and the general Cub stuff moved to the WOSM Cub Scouts. done

--Gadget850 ( Ed)

Yes: It's on my todo list, whenever I have time to figure out the program; go for it if you know anything about it. It should also go in the Scoutreach section of the main BSA article that is also on my todo list. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

I've requested a peer review to finish this off and keep me sane. The only thing I can see that this article needs is a good photo of Cub Scouts in action, and I am working on that. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

This article has really come a long way and you are doing a great job! Assuming you are going for FA status, there are a couple of things I'd like to point out. (1) There are a lot of 1-sentence paragraphs, and this is typically frowned upon. (2) Aside from a picture of Cub Scouts in action (actually I think you should try to get at least two), I think there should be a frontal position picture or diagram of the Boy Scout uniform for the uniform section. I'll look at the article in more depth tomorrow and see if I can think of anything else :) --Naha|(talk) 04:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Every article should strive for FA status. I've done a complete rewrite over the last month with little input from others. I need some outside eyes to look at this and keep me straight. I closed up several paragraphs and it does flow better. I'm looking through my photo collection for some good shots. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

POV?

This is probably just being POV picky, but it seems to me the intro should say something like "The goal of Cub Scouting is to use a fun and challenging program to help boys grow into good citizens..."(etc.) As it currently stands, the intro expresses a POV that Cub Scouting is successful. As benign and true as this POV may be, it is still a non-neutral POV. Applejuicefool 16:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. I moved a statement on aims to the lead-in. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Duplicate entry

Are you aware that there is another entry entitled Cub Scouts? Seems to me the two should be merged, or one deleted. (unsigned by212.143.232.2)

Yes: Cub Scouts is a general article on the worldwide Scouting movement, where this one deals specifically with the BSA program. Mergeing is not in order for these articles. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
This article needs to be clearer about the fact you just brought up. Right now the first two words of this article link to that other article; that's a good sign that something is wrong. It's not clear to the casual observer what the difference in focus of these two articles is. - Brian Kendig 14:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The name of this article is wrong, it should be named Cub Scouting, not Cub Scouts; see my message below. I made a change to the linked article, Cub Scout, so that is clearer that it refers to the worldwide Scouting movement. I also removed the link you referred to and put it in the "See also" section. --Jagz 18:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Propose merge of Advancement in Cub Scouts (Boy Scouts of America). This has already been effectively completed, but I want to allow time for discussion. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article name is wrong, maybe

Per the Language of Scouting, the name of this article should be Cub Scouting and not Cub Scouts. [1] Cub Scouting includes Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and Webelos Scouts. Cub Scouts is just the program for boys 8 or 9 years of age. --Jagz 21:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

All boys join a Cub Scout Pack, not a Cub Scouting Pack.Telecine Guy 06:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Subject request

Howdy! Would any subject matter experts be willing to add a section on how the Cub Scouts approach religion? The Boy Scouts have seen controversy in this area, as a parent I'd love to know how the Cub Scouts relate. Thanks! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  • You can starty by checking out:
http://www.scouting.org/awards/religious

--evrik 22:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's what I was looking for, it looks to be a page about religious decorations on uniforms. To clarify my initial request, I want to know what the religious requirements of the Cub Scouts are. I have read of Boy Scouts being ejected for being atheist, how do the Cubs deal with this? Also, how religious are the meetings themselves? Thanks! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The only official requirements are the religious principle (must believe in God) and one requirement for Bear [2]. The Religious Emblem Program is optional. Ther than that, there may be a prayer or so before a pack meeting, meeting or other event. Packs sponsored by LDS and Catholic churches may use Cub Scouting as part of their official program, so they may have more religious activities. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! I'm off in search of non-religious alternatives, then. If you know of any, it might be worth a blurb..? Thanks again! - CHAIRBOY (☎) 00:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
You can find them in this article.[3] --Jagz 01:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge (2)

Previously on Wikipedia. Back in March of 2006, we had a consensus to merge the Cub Scouting and the Boy Scouting advancement articles as I have proposed below. These merges were made and the links and redirects fixed. In June 2006, User:Cool Cat unilaterally reverted all of these changes. There was a lot of discussion and acrimony, and we left it as it was.

It is now almost a year since the original merges and the articles in question have stood as stubs since then, with only a few minor edits. I now propose to reinstate those merges. These merges are effectively already done, as the information was moved back in March.

Therefore, I propose that we merge these articles into Cub Scouts:

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • If the merge is supported, the following templates will be obsoleted: CSA ranks (used in all of the rank pages), CSA advancement (unused).

Please oppose, support or comment:

  • support. Rlevse 14:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • support. NThurston 15:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • support merge as per nom. Chris 03:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

merge supported - Work in progress. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC) done redirects fixed --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

history timeline moved from Scouting in Vermont

  • 1910 Boy Scouts of America incorporated on February 8, national Executive Board formed. Baden-Powell visited America to talk with leaders. President Taft became the first honorary president of the BSA; the first honorary vice-president was Theodore Roosevelt.
  • 1911 At the urging of the national Executive Board of the BSA, Ernest Thompson Seton develops prototype "Cubs of America" program with "Cub Moms" and a motto of "We do our best." This program was shelved due to a "tremendous upheaval" within the BSA.
  • 1912 Boys' Life magazine became official publication.
  • 1913 First local councils were chartered.
  • 1916 Wolf Cubbing becomes an official part of the British Scouting with the publication of Robert S. S. Baden-Powell's "The Wolf Cub Handbook."
  • 1918 Unofficial Wolf Cub Packs appear in Butte, MN, Stamford, CT, Paris TX and other locations. James E. West, Chief Scout Executive, secured the rights for the American printing of British Wolf Cub Handbook for sale to unofficial US Wolf Cub packs. This book was sold by the BSA for 10 years before the introduction of Cubbing.
  • 1920 The first National Training Conference for Executives emphasized the need for a younger boy program. First world jamboree in England.
  • 1924 The national Executive Board proposes the "adoption of a younger boy program at the earliest date, should be kept entirely distinct from Scouting, should prepare for graduation into the Scout movement."
  • 1925 William D. Murray was named chairman of a committee to look into the younger boy program. Dr. John N. Finley and Dr. Jeremiah W. Jenks were named to the committee. All were members of the BSA national Executive Board.
  • 1926 First Silver Buffalo Award presentations made to Lord Baden-Powell and to the unknown Scout whose Good Turn brought Scouting to America.
  • 1927 A portion of a Laura Spelman Rockefeller grant of $50,000 supported research and development project on the younger boy program. Dr. Huber William Hurt was named full-time executive for the committee, which was to "report to the national Executive Board at the earliest date."
  • 1928 The fifth National Training Conference for Scout Executives held at Cornell University generated intense interest in the younger boy program. Experimental Cub units were started in each of the 12 regions of the National Council. In all, 106 locations were sanctioned for experimental Cub units across the nation.
  • 1929 Demonstration Cub units were approved by the national Executive Board. The Hurt committee prepared its definitive report and worked on the first Cub publications.
  • 1930 The national Executive Board heard the Hurt committee Report and approved the Cub program "controlled experiment" as of February 10. They authorized Cub packs to register with BSA starting April 1 for those packs qualifying under "special permit" requirements to assure adequate resources and leadership. Dr. Hurt and the committee were to monitor the program through its experimental stages. Cub books were issued including: Wolf, Bear, Lion, Parents' Cub Book, and Cub Leader's Outline. Uniforms for boys were issued ($6.05 complete) and 5,102 boys and 1,433 pack leaders in 243 packs were registered during the first year.
  • 1931 At the end of the second year 25,662 boys were registered in Cub packs in 258 councils across the nation with 5,228 registered pack leaders. First Silver Beaver Awards.
  • 1932 First Cubmaster's Pack Book and Den Chiefs Den Book. Cubbing policies were published. By the end of the third year, 44,083 boys and 8,060 pack leaders registered.
  • 1933 "Experimental" restrictions were removed as of May 25th; Cubbing to be "aggressively promoted as a part of the Boy Scout program." Cub Leaders'Roundtable publications issued for pack leaders. Registration for the fourth year: 51,884 boys and 7,542 leaders were registered. The Schiff Scout Reservation is formally opened.
  • 1934 Cubbing had 64,739 boys and 8,269 leaders registered during the fifth year.
  • 1935 William C. Wessel became the second director of the program succeeding Dr. Hurt on January 2. Cub Leader's Roundtable and Scouting publications were sent to all registered pack leaders. Local Cubbing advisory committees were encouraged. "Leader-of-leader" training was made available. The Cubbing program judged "excellent in every field of operation," including graduation to Scouting. Registrations: 82,373 boys and 12,843 leaders. This is the first year the Cubbing program was reported to the Congress of the United States.
  • 1936 Registrations of den mothers was made "optional"; before this year, it was not permitted. Smocks available for den mothers. C. Walter Seamans named assistant director of Cubbing. Cubbing reached 10 percent of the total of all boys registered in the Scouting program. Registrations: 114,515 boys and 19,296 pack leaders.
  • 1937 The Pack Financial Record Book was developed and the "Pack Thrift Plan" was introduced. Full year planning calendar was issued. First Den Mother's Den Book. Registrations: 147,418 boys and 23,232, pack leaders. Cubmobiles (Soap Box Derby) racers introduced.
  • 1938 First International Cub Leader's Conference at Gilwell Park, England. Bobcat pin introduced (for civilian wear). Den mother's badge approved. New den chiefs shoulder cord. Cub advancement record introduced. The How Book of Cubbing published. Registrations: 182,514 boys and 34,117 pack leaders. Waite Phillips made a gift of land in New Mexico now known as Philmont Scout Ranch.
  • 1939 Cubbing Guidebook and new manual for den mother training were produced. A cub literature bulletin outlined all of the publications available to pack leaders. Donald C. Green appointed Assistant Director of Cubbing. Registrations: 234,953 boys and 42,009 pack leaders. Pow-wows and roundtables began in many councils.
  • 1940 John M. Bierer became the second chairman of the National Cubbing Committee, succeeding Dr. William D. Murray. Themes were introduced into the Cubbing program. "Summer Program" pamphlet issued, Cub pow wows were introduced as a training medium. "Your Boy" promotion. Cub "Goodwill" emphasis. Den chief training course launched. Gerald A. Speedy was named assistant director. Registrations: 286,402 boys and 49,161 pack leaders.
  • 1941 The Webelos rank was created for 11-1/2-year-old boys with the Lion badge. Accumulated badges could be worn on uniforms. A set of 10 pack organizations charts was issued for pack leader training. Registrations: 335,775 boys and 56,691 pack leaders.
  • 1942 Cubbing participated in the support of the national war emergency. Registrations: 373,813 boys and 65,775 leaders. Boys were allowed rank corresponding to age if late entry into the program (no need for "catch-up.")
  • 1943 First blue and gold banquet. Packs sell War Bonds and War Stamps. During the year 442,853 boys and 80,458 leaders were registered in the program. First Silver Antelope Awards.
  • 1944 A shortage of literature and uniforms due to wartime priorities. Packs collect grease, newspapers, and milkweed floss. Many packs had Victory Garden programs. Registrations: 574,605 boys and 104,211 pack leaders.
  • 1945 "Cubbing" changed to "Cub Scouting." New bars for denners and assistant denners. World Friendship Fund established. Registrations: 695,014 boys and 141,468 leaders.
  • 1946 Registrations: 759,829 boys and 175,425 leaders.
  • 1947 Uniform revision: long trousers for boys. Scouting magazine carried program outlines for leaders for the first time. Registrations: 819,487 boys and 215,485 pack leaders.
  • 1948 All den mothers must register with BSA (optional before). Registrations: 887,215 boys and 261,563 leaders.
  • 1949 William C. Wessel, director of Cub Scouting, died. Gerald A. Speedy was named the director, and in November Marlin Sieg was named as assistant director. The age levels for Cub Scouting were changed to 8, 9, and 10 with boys entering Boy Scouting at 11 years of age. A re-study of the achievement program was ordered. At the end of its 20th year, Cub Scouting pierced the million mark for the first time with 1,142,079 boys registered and 317,057 pack leaders, a 25 percent gain in enrollment.
  • 1950 A second international gathering of Cub leaders was held in Edinburqh, Scotland. A new Cub Scout leader training plan included eight training subjects utilizing film strip, illustrations, and cartoons. Scouting Magazine increased its Cub Scouting coverage from one to eight pages. The registrations during the year reached 1,263,658 boys and 385,342 pack leaders
  • 1951 The Wolf Book was revised to the reading level of the 8-year-old boy. Other new literature: Den Chief Training and 10 Steps to Pack Organization. First Philmont Cub Scout Conference stressed basic ideas, policies, and procedures. Registrations during the year climbed to 1,339,861 boys and 440,348 pack leaders.
  • 1952 O. W. (Bud) Bennett named director of Cub Scouting; and Marlin S. Sieg was assistant. Philmont Cub Scouting course was opened to women. BSA theme: "Forward on Liberty's Team." Registrations during the year: 1,472,955 boys and 502,388 pack leaders.
  • 1953 First 'un-official' Pinewood Derby run on May 15 by Pack 280c under Cubmaster Don Murphy. Den Chief Conference Plan approved and released. Cub Scout advisory group studied the Webelos Den Plan. Cub Scouts donate 2,889 pennies for Korean Scouts plus "tons" of used uniforms. Registrations: 1,606,249 boys, 570,751 pack leaders.
  • 1954 Robert N. Gibson named chairman of the National Cub Scout Committee. Webelos den created for 10-1/2-year-old boys. New Webelos den badge. Lion badge changed to Lion Webelos. Pack numerals colors were changed. Minimum age for den mothers and assistant cubmasters changed from 18 to 21. Den Chiefs Training Conference booklet printed.
  • 1955'Official' Pinewood Derbies introduced. New den mother's uniform skirt and blouse offered. New Webelos pin approved for Cub civilian wear. New Cub Scout pocket piece. New training posters. Backyard USA, published for summertime activities, illustrated by Bud Bennett. Revised Den Mother's Den Book and Den Chiefs Den Book. Cub Scouting pierced the two million mark for the first time: registration reached 2,050,625 boys and 753,892 pack leaders.
  • 1956 Webelos day camp program introduced. Webelos advancement chart available. Den Mother's Training Award introduced. First Cub Scouting books in braille for the handicapped. Cub Scout Fun Book and Pack Committee pamphlet published. BSA Theme: "Onward for God and My Country." Registrations: 2,346,090 boys and 879,253 leaders.
  • 1957 Emphasis on Cub Scouting for the handicapped boy is increased. Bike safety highlighted. George C. Frickel appointed assistant director of Cub Scouting. Registered Cub Scouts subscribing to Boys' Life was 34 percent. Registrations: 2,540,691 boys and 96,498 pack leaders.
  • 1958 New Cub Scout sports electives include skating and skiing. New Webelos Den Book with meeting outline helps for Webelos den leaders. Parent Review Party Kit prepared to bolster family participation in Cub Scouting. Registrations: 2,695,124 boys and 1,010,886 leaders.
  • 1959 H. H. Coffield named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Bobcat Pin introduced for the uniform. Cub Scout Water Fun Book issued to help dads with dad/son activities. In 47,286 packs, there were 1,006,969 leaders serving 2,691,153 boys.
  • 1960 The Golden Jubilee of Scouting and 30th anniversary of Cub Scouting in the U.S., special coin and patches issued. BSA theme: "For God and Country." Commemorative tribute in Washington D.C. from funds contributed by Cub Scouts and Scouts across the nation. First den mother's conference held at Schiff Scout Reservation, N.J. Registrations: 2,762,480 boys and 1,026,480 pack leaders.
  • 1961 Den mother's training program at Schiff. A comprehensive survey of the complete Cub Scout program was initiated with Research Service spearheading this effort under the direction of Kenneth Wells. Registrations: 2,752,027 boys and 1,016,764 pack leaders.
  • 1962 F. Brittain Kennedy named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Registrations in Cub Scouting reached 2,819,752 boys and 1,02 9,100 pack leaders.
  • 1963 Cub Scout Advisory Group considered many uniform variants, but recommended only the den mother's tie as an alternate to the neckerchief. Registrations were 2,841,958 boys and 1,028,073 pack leaders.
  • 1964 The National Summertime Award is created to encourage year-round Cub Scouting. Cub Scout Swim Plan introduced. Registrations: 2,915,972 boys and 1,044,180 leaders.
  • 1965 Cub Scouting broke through the three million mark for the first time with registrations during the year reaching 3,031,137 boys and 1,075,863 pack leaders.
  • 1966 Cub Scouting survey results felt in the deliberations of the national Cub Scout Committee. Kenneth L. Miller named assistant director of Cub Scouting. This is the Jubilee year for the British Wolf Cub program. Registrations in Cub Scouting reached 3,115,002 boys and 1,130,153 pack leaders.
  • 1967 The Cub Scout Advancement Program was overhauled. The Lion rank was discontinued in favor of the new Webelos Scout program with its distinctive uniform and 15 activity badges. William R. Jackson named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Registrations reached 3,280,955 boys and 1,261,815 pack leaders.
  • 1968 Cub Scout day camps were approved by the National Executive Board. Membership fees were increased to $2 for adults and $1 for boys. National staff included 0. W. (Bud) Bennett, director; Marlin S. Seig and Edmond T. Hesser, assistants. Registrations: 3,467,738 boys and 1,261,815 pack leaders.
  • 1969 First women were appointed to the national Cub Scout Committee. Total registrations in Cub Scouting hovered just short of five million people 3,602,688 boys and 1,284,363 pack leaders. J. Bowling Wills named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee.
  • 1970 Donald J. Parry, vice-chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee, acted as interim chairman. Bud Bennett retired as director of Cub Scouting. Summertime pack awards were stressed. Project SOAR (Save Our American Resources) was launched throughout Scouting. Forty-two councils held Cub Scout day camps during the summer. Registrations in Cub Scouting reached of 3,664,287 boys and 1,273,980 pack leaders.
  • 1971 Robert L. Untch named director of Cub Scouting; Donald H. Flanders, chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. The Cub Scout Promise was changed from "to be square' to "to help other people." The Silver Fawn Award, for lady Scouters, was introduced at the council level. Total registrations pierced the five million mark: at 3,742,411 boys and 1,268,367 pack leaders.
  • 1972 First national Den Leader Coach Conference at Schiff Scout Reservation, New Jersey. New embroidered badges for Bobcat, Wolf, Bear, Webelos. Cub Scout Day Camp manual printed. During the year, 3,763,202 boys and 2,255,526 leaders were registered.
  • 1973 Achievements and electives updated. New Webelos leader and Cubmaster neckerchiefs. Cub Scout Leadership Development kit introduced. C. Joseph Nelson named associate director of Cub Scouting. Registrations: 3,762,367 boys and 1,214,882 leaders.
  • 1974 Safe Bicycle Driving Program and Cub Scout Physical Fitness Program introduced and emphasized. First regional Cub Scout chairman training at Philmont. Silver Fawn Award discontinued in favor of the Silver Beaver Award for both men and women. Registrations: 3,513,746 boys and 1,097,267 leaders.
  • 1975 Cub Scout Day Camp School introduced. Webelos transition program launched. "Learn to Swim" program promoted. New literature for the leaders of handicapped Cub Scouts. Den chiefs cord repositioned on the uniform. Registrations: 3,121,035 boys and 1,065,719 pack leaders.
  • 1976 First national Cub Scout Trainer Wood Badge course in US. conducted. The God and Family and Metta Awards introduced for religious recognition in Cub Scouting. Dress uniforms redesigned for adults. National Executive Board approves women as Cubmasters and assistant Cubmasters. Cub Scout Family Book prepared. Cub Scout Family Award is designed. Russell A. Williams named associate director of Cub Scouting. Registrations: 2,887,791 boys and 1,001, 134 pack leaders.
  • 1977 Dr. Rodney H. Brady named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Cub Scout program year changed to coincide with the school year Cub Scout day camp inspections made mandatory. First regional Cub Scout Trainers Wood Badge courses held (six during the year). Audrey F. Clough named associate director of Cub Scouting. Registrations: 2,736,955 boys and 961,301 leaders.
  • 1978 Five ranks established for Cub Scouting: Bobcat, Wolf, Bear, Webelos, Arrow of Light. Training awards updated. Family camping encouraged. W. Boyd Giles named associate director of Cub Scouting. Long Range Planning Committee for Cub Scouting appointed. 50th Anniversary Year of Cub Scouting set for 1980 and a Jubilee committee appointed. Registrations: 2,795,051 boys and 962,565 leaders.
  • 1979 Wolf Book rewritten. New Bear neckerchief. Family Vacation Training Project. Cub Scout Trainers Wood Badge course approved as standard training. Burts J. Kennedy named associate director of Cub Scouting. National Council moved its offices to Texas. National Cub Scout Committee prepares for the Jubilee Year in 1980. Fiftieth anniversary literature included Council and District Plan, Public Relations Plan, and Guidebook For Packs. Registrations during the year: 2,721,415 boys and 913,270 leaders.
  • 1980 The 50th anniversary of Cub Scouting in the United States. The 30 millionth Cub Scout since 1930 was registered. New designer uniforms for boys and leaders. Cub Scout Family Award now standard. New Den Chief Handbook and Low Income and Hispanic Cub Scout books. Family Forum introduced. International tour for Cub Scout leaders to England. Cub Scout Jason Sherman visited the White House on behalf of over 1.8 million Cub Scouts. First National Blue and Gold Banquet at National Council meeting, New Orleans. All packs participate in the Jubilee celebration. A total of 410 councils held 1,800 Cub Scout day camps for over 300,000 boys. Registered during the year: 2,715,341 boys and 889,958 pack leaders.
  • 1981 Cub Scouts visited a national Scout jamboree for the first time at Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia. International tour of Cub Scout leaders to England. Glendon E. Johnson named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Registrations during the year were: 2,569,223 boys and 847,166 pack leaders.
  • 1982 The 75th anniversary of World Scouting. Tiger Cubs, BSA, was introduced at the national meeting in Atlanta. E. 0. "Robbie" Robinson named associate director of Cub Scouting. Robert L. Untch retired as director of Cub Scouting. Peter W. Hummel named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Registrations during the year were: 2,604,351 boys and 829,199 pack leaders.
  • 1983 Jack Billington was named director of Cub Scouting. Ernest R. "Tommy" Thomas, Jr., named associate director of Cub Scouting. Registrations during the year were: 2,513,725 boys and 805,658 pack leaders.
  • 1984 Extended camping was approved for Webelos Scouts. New sports program for Cub Scouts developed. The Big Bear Cub Scout Book was introduced. Registrations during the year were: 2,483,950 boys and 805,237 pack leaders.
  • 1985 The 75th anniversary of the Boy Scouts of America; 55th anniversary of Cub Scouting. International tour of Cub Scout leaders to England. New sports program introduced for Cub Scouts. Registrations during the year were: 2,168,487 boys and 682,882 pack leaders.
  • 1986 Boy Scouts of America took a new and dramatic step to serve boys in all school grades. Membership requirements for Tiger Cubs and Cub Scouts became primarily based on grade in school, rather than age. The plan was expanded to included first-grade boys as Tiger Cubs and second-grade boys as Wolf Cub Scouts. The program included plans for expanding Webelos Scouting to 2 years for fourth- and fifth-graders. In the first 4 months of the expanded program, Cub Scout membership increased by 14.3 percent compared to the previous year. Stan Levingston named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee. Revised Wolf Cub Scout Book introduced. Registrations during the year were: 2,466,707 boys and 793,856 pack leaders.
  • 1987 Boy Scouts of America began to address five unacceptables in American society-drug abuse, hunger, child abuse, illiteracy, and youth unemployment. The nation's largest anti-drug abuse education campaign was launched with the release of eight million copies of a booklet titled Drugs: A Deadly Game for members, chartered organizations, schools, and local institutions. Cub Scout leaders received Fast Start videos that discussed their positions. A new edition of the Webelos Scout Book, featuring five new activity badges boys could earn, was published. More Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts went camping this year; total camping participation rose to 817,582 youths, an increase of 8 percent over that of 1986. Vittz-James Ramsdell named chairman of the national Cub Scout Committee.
  • 1988 Largest national Good Turn since World War II was held in November when Scouting for Food sent the BSA's youth and adult leaders into their neighborhoods to collect food for the needy. The harvest was more than 60 million containers of food.A 2-year Webelos Scouting program was introduced; for the first time fourth-graders were eligible to become Webelos Scouts. Henceforth, both fourth- and fifth-graders could participate in Webelos Scouting to prepare for Boy Scouting. Resident camping for Cub Scouts was approved, and many councils opened weeklong camps for Cub Scouts while continuing to operate Cub Scout day camps.
  • 1989 Cub Scouting instituted a Renewal Plan for Separated Cub Scouts to invite dropouts back into the program. Local councils that tried the plan reported a 40 to 50 percent return of dropouts. The BSA continued its attack on the "unacceptables." The second annual Scouting for Food drive netted 72 million containers of food for the nation's needy. A new package of materials for Drugs: A Deadly Game was distributed. It included an 18-page brochure, a comic book-style true story of a Drug Enforcement Administration agent, a body chart showing the effects of drugs, alcohol, and smoking on the human body, and a teacher's guide. Advice for preventing sexual abuse of children was incorporated into all training of adult Scouters.
  • 1991 Cub Scouting introduced two programs: Ethics in Action to promote ethical decision making, and the BSA family program to strengthen the family from within. Membership grew for the tenth consecutive year in Tiger Cubs, BSA; participation increased in Cub Scouting's day, family, and resident camping.
  • 1992 A Cub Scout Academics program is debuted.
  • 1993 A new Train-the-Trainer Conference manual was produced to train the people who train leaders in Cub Scouting. Cub Scout camping drew nearly 573,000 youth, including 5,000 new campers.
  • 1997 Cub Scouting membership - Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and Webelos Scouts - grew to more than 2.1 million, an increase of 2.7 percent and the third consecutive year of growth. The percentage of trained Cub Scout adult leaders increased to 40 percent, a gain of 9 percent over 1996. Cub Scout day, resident, and family camping continued to grow in popularity, with more than 38 percent of members - almost 570,000 boys - participating in one of these outdoor experiences.
  • 1998 Cub Scouting membership - Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and Webelos Scouts - grew to more than 2.17 million. This increase marks our fourth consecutive year of growth. The percentage of trained Cub Scout adult leaders increased 8 percent over 1997 figures. Cub Scout day, resident, and family camping continued to grow in popularity, with almost 39 percent of members - more than 583,000 boys - participating in one of these outdoor experiences. New Wolf and Bear handbooks introduced.
  • 1999 New Webelos Book introduced. Cub Sports and Academics program modified and re-named Cub Scout Academics and Sports program. Garfield (the cat) named as national Cub Scouting 'spokescat.'
  • 2000 Cub Scout Trainer Wood Badge discontinued.

This is copied from THE EVOLUTION OF CUBBING A 90 YEAR CHRONOLOGY. Much of it is already in History of the Boy Scouts of America --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Rename suggestion

What is the reason for the suggested rename? Chris 03:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Per the Language of Scouting:

Cub Scouting: That part of the program of the Boy Scouts of America for boys who are in the first grade through fifth grade (or are 7 through 10 years old). Tiger Cubs are in the first grade (or age 7); Cub Scouts, second or third grade (or ages 8 or 9); and Webelos Scouts, fourth and fifth grade (or age 10). The unit is a Cub Scout pack and the pack is made up of dens of the various age groups. The emphasis is on family-centered activities, group activities, learning, and having fun. (Never use the term "Cubbing"; "Cub" is not a verb.) See "Tiger Cubs BSA."

We already renamed Boy Scouting (Boy Scouts of America), and Varsity Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) and Sea Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) are also pending. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oppose - This is the article on the Cub Scouts section, so makes more sense with that name. I missed the rename on the Boy Scouts article, and would have opposed that for the same reason. Horus Kol Talk 14:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

added thought - why not just create a redirect from Cub Scouting? Horus Kol Talk 14:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Because the membership programs properly use the active form as does Scouting. Cub Scouting is the program, Cub Scout is the member. Again, see the reference. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I see a conflict between the program and the section, here... I'd prefer the article to be named after the section, because that just seems to make more sense to people from outside and inside Scouting Horus Kol Talk 00:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The BSA does not use the term section, but I think it is equivalent to what we are calling membership programs here. The BSA considers it one Scouting program divided into membership levels of Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting and Varsity Scouting, Venturing and Sea Scouting. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
If the BSA use those terms, then maybe - but you are citing the WOSM website... -- Horus Kol Talk 05:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean the Language of Scouting? That is the BSA style guide. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 08:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Support. Just do it. It is pretty clear from LOS that the appropriate term for what this article describes is "Cub Scouting" (part of a program in its entirety) not "Cub Scouts" (boys). In fact, when properly used, Cub Scouts does not include Tiger Cubs or Webelos Scouts. --NThurston 13:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

While technically you may correct. In Scouting and out side of Scouting, the term Cub Scouts is always used and understood to include all Ranks of Cub Scouts. All the Ranks you listed are under a CUB SCOUT PACK, not a Cub scouting Pack. 24.205.90.210 05:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what list your are referring to. This article is not about the pack per se, but Cub Scouting as part of the Scouting program. You are correct in that it would be "Cub Scout pack". I just noted that the BSA website uses the active Scouting terms- Cub Scouting, Boy Scouting, etc. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 10:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly - BSA has established a standard terminology, which we should respect, even if they are not always used correctly by those "in Scouting and out side of Scouting." LOS clearly establishes: Cub Scouting, Cub Scout, Cub Scout Pack, etc. This articles is clearly about Cub Scouting. In the absence of any good arguments to the contrary, I believe this actually meets criteria for a speedy rename. --NThurston 13:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
support following persuasive argument -- Horus Kol Talk 11:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Confused on Tiger Cubs

When I was in Scouts, Tiger Cub was considered semi-separate from Cub Scouts. In fact we were considered way lower on the pecking order. We weren't even authorized to wear the blue Cub Scout uniform (we had orange T-shirts without insignia or badges) A good analogue would be Daisys to Brownies in Girl Scouts. After I graduated from Tiger Cubs, I worked on my Bobcat badge.

Now, I see that Tiger Cub comes after Bobcat. When the hell did this happen? I think it should be explained.

John, Former Webelo, Den 2, Pack 671, Escondido, CA. (I can't remember the years...God I feel old.)

Kensuke Aida 11:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at History of the Boy Scouts of America#2000- this explains all. BTW, the singular of Webelos is... Webelos or Webelos Scout. Don't feel too old- when I was a Cub Scout, the pack had not yet begun the Webelos program. I have begun to realize that we need a short origins section for each membership article with a link to the history article. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Cub scout belt loops

Propose that Cub scout belt loops be redirect to this article, as it duplicates most of the material already found here. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Egel is right. I am going to do a speedy redirect on this. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Capitalization

Only primary leadership positions are capitalized. See the Language of Scouting, specifically under "c" for capitalization. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Fast Tracks

The BSA is beginning to roll out the new Cub Scout Fast Tracks program. This does away with the Program Helps and the monthly theme , replacing it with an advancement oriented meeting using web based resources. Some info here: [4] [5]. It is a bit cursory, so we need to wait a bit for more info. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Impact

This article could really use a section on the impact the Cubs have had on American life. --evrik (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi! The Boy Scouts of America article has an impact section that could be expanded in conjunction with this. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Avondale, Alabama

Catherine Green Browne's History of Avondale (2007) about the neighborhood of Avondale, Birmingham, Alabama includes the following account:

In the 1940s until his death many years later, Walter Coxe lived on Eighth Court South on the same street where the third Avondale School was built. Mr. Coxe said that, originally, the lot upon which his house was built extended from Eighth Court to Clairmont Avenue.
As were parents of most students attending Avondale, Mr. Coxe became an active participant in school functions through the Cub Scout and later the Boy Scout Programs. Mr. Coxe's son entered the Cub Scouts with his father's active support. For years, boys entered Cub Scouts at age eight and the Boy Scout Program accepted boys by age twelve. In between the two programs was a lag of two years during which many boys lost interest and went on to participate in other activities.
Rather than lose the boys to Boy Scouts during the interim, Mr. Coxe began an intermediate program which was called, "Webeloes" (We Belong). They presented the idea for the Webelo Program to the National Organization which refused permission for the organization to continue operations under the name of the Boy Scouts of America. However, Mr. Coxe and other volunteers in Scouting at Avondale School continued to run the program and it proved to be so successful it was eventually adopted by the National Organization.

While comprehensive in its scope and detail, Browne's book was only issued in a limited edition by a local publisher (A. H. Cather Publishing Co.), so I don't know to what extent it serves the purposes of a "verifiable reference", especially since I'm not seeing the story reproduced elsewhere online. She does not provide a specific citation for this version. I'm inclined to think that the claims have been inflated along the lines of oral history. Perhaps Coxe appropriated an unofficial program already in use instead of pioneering it. I thought I'd bring it up here in case anyone finds another reference or wants to make mention of it in the name of neutral POV or something. --Dystopos (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It makes a good story... but her time line doesn't make sense. The Webelos rank was first introduced in 1941. On top of that, Webelos was originally just an acronym representing Wolf, Bear, Lion, Scout, and eventually took up the meaning, "We'll Be Loyal Scouts." It's never been explained with the meaning, "We Belong," as far as I can tell from the little bit of research I can do from my computer.
Basically it sounds to me like she was writing a historical fiction novel, because it's just not believable. All the info I just mentioned can be found, with citations, in the History_of_the_Boy_Scouts_of_America article. KhalfaniKhaldun 05:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
When Cubbing was introduced in 1928, all Cub Scouts belonging to the Webelos tribe, symbolized by the Arrow of Light and led by Akela. Webelos became a rank in 1941 and used the symbol we know as the Arrow of Light. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I would characterize this weakness in her book to be a deficit of fact-checking rather than a writing of fiction, as I'm sure she gathered this from local sources rather than inventing it. --Dystopos (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Userbox

Is there a userbox that says that the user was a member of the Cub Scouts of America? Allen (talk) 22:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Since Cub Scouts of America is part of Boy Scouts of America, then would Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/Was BSA be appropriate? GoingBatty (talk) 22:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I was never part of the actual BSA, just the CSA. I know the CSA is part of the BSA, but that doesn't change the other fact. Allen (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
There has never been a Cub Scouts of America: Cub Scouting is a membership division of the BSA. We can certainly create another userbox, but we cannot use a non-free image such as the Cub Scouting logo. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
What do you mean, "There has never been a Cub Scouts of America"? I was a member! I was in elementary school (sometime between 1984-1987, I don't remember when). Yes, I know the CSA is a division of the BSA.
Can another userbox be made? Is there another logo or image (Cub Scouting oriented) that we can use? Thank you for telling me before I tried to make a userbox myself. Allen (talk) 00:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, I'm not going to convince you on the Cub Scouts of America (I guess I was in the U.S. Ordnance Army). If you can find a free image, we can do something— perhaps a wolf. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
The official name is not "Cub Scouts of America". Just checked my son's Cub Scout shirt, and it says "BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA". GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't mean to be stubborn, but, when I was in the Cub Scouts, it was known as the Cub Scouts of America. If they changed the title since the 1980s, then I don't know about it. Allen (talk) 02:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Someone may have told you it was called the Cub Scouts of America, but if so, they were incorrect. Neutron (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Has it ever been known as "Cub Scouts of America"? If I remember correctly, I saw some papers back then with that name on them.
Anyway, can the userbox be made? If so, where will it be, so I can use it? Thanks! Allen (talk) 10:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
The Cub Scouts of America was discussed in 1911, but never implemented. The membership division was developed in 1928 as Cubbing, became official in 1930 and was renamed Cub Scouting in 1945. We can't use a non-free image, which is why the BSA useboxes use a generic FdL and shield. Perhaps File:Wolf.svg? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Today I received a copy of Boy Scouts of America: A Centennial History by Chuck Wills (DK Publishing), so the first thing I did was look up the history of Cub Scouting. It refers to a program proposed a couple years after 1910 by Ernest Thompson Seton called "Cubs of America", which was "the first, but no means the last, official mention" of a program for younger boys.
As for the userbox image, how about File:Paw-print.svg on top of the shield? GoingBatty (talk) 01:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I just created my first userbox: Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/Was Cub - feel free to improve it. GoingBatty (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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