A fact from Cuilin Zhang appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 June 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 14:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
... that Cuilin Zhang's(pictured) research suggested that potatoes might increase the risk of gestational diabetes? Source: "Cuilin Zhang, lead study author, from the National Institutes of Health in Maryland, US, said the findings were important" "Potato-rich diet 'may increase pregnancy diabetes risk" [1][2]
Comment: Public domain text used and identified in the article.
Created by TJMSmith (talk). Self-nominated at 03:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
@TJMSmith: Most of the article is taken from a public domain source [3]. This is allowed, but this text dcount towards the 1500 character requirement. I only count about 1100 characters of new text, so it needs a little more expansion.
There are also sourcing issues. The non-copied text of the article is also entirely based on sources that aren't independent, so there really needs to be more text based on independent sources, preferably more than half the article. The copied text does have some added independent references, but they are popular media articles and one needs to be careful since these aren't considered reliable for biomedical statements (see WP:MEDRS). Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 06:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Antony-22, I wasn't aware that the text doesn't count towards the 1500 requirement. Is that policy stated anywhere? I agree it would be preferable for there to be more independent sources. Academics are not always covered as frequently as other notable figures (like entertainers and athletes). I'm not sure if that this point alone disqualifies a DYK nomination. The majority of the content of this article is cites a reliable (but not independent) source. Thanks for the review! TJMSmith (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's part of Rule 2b. You can still add text or rewrite the PD text to satisfy the length requirement.
Generally these kinds of institutional biographies are "reliable" in the sense of being factual, and they can be used as sources, but they shouldn't be most or all of the citations. It's as much a neutrality issue as a verifiability one. Academics are sometime tricky to find independent sources for, but sometimes you can find news/perspectives articles like this one [4], or a piece in an alumni magazine or hometown newsletter, or even other journal articles that talk about their work. So how about this, do a search and see what you can come up with, and if there really isn't anything out there I'll say it's good enough since the article's only making straightforward factual statements anyway. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:40, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I very much appreciate your thoughtful feedback/constructive criticism. An ongoing work emergency is limiting my Wikipedia editing time. I wanted to acknowledge that I've read your response and will work on this Zhang article as soon as I can. I think I should have some time between now and 4/19. TJMSmith (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@TJMSmith: Sorry for the delay. The article is fine now, so on to the hook. Per WP:MEDRS it's not good practice to feature a result from a single study out of context. Could you provide another hook? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by ping of TJMSmith - it has been almost 3 weeks since Antony's ping above. Are you intending to continue with this DYK? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:44, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
TJMSmith hasn't edited since April. Marking the nomination for closure as stale, though it may continue if another editor decides to pick this up in their stead. Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew 00:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems a shame to let this die simply for a lack of a hook:
ALT1: ... that Cuilin Zhang(pictured) leads a study of about 4,000 women who had diabetes in pregnancy to identify factors in the progression from gestational diabetes to type 2 diabetes? Source: "Dr. Cuilin Zhang serves as the Principal Investigator of the Diabetes and Women's Health Study, which is a retrospective cohort study of approximately 4,000 women from U.S. and Denmark who had diabetes in pregnancy and have been followed up for at least 10 years. These women will be prospectively followed up for an additional four years to collect updated information on major environmental factors and timed biospecimens. The study is focusing on the identification of determinants (medical, lifestyle, genetic and their interactions) for the progression from gestational diabetes to type 2 diabetes and its complications and the investigation of biochemical markers that may predict the development of these complications among the pre-diabetic population." (public domain source)
...let's try that again. Hopefully, it's short enough this time. Rotideypoc41352 (talk·contribs) 21:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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@TJMSmith: Most of the article is taken from a public domain source [3]. This is allowed, but this text dcount towards the 1500 character requirement. I only count about 1100 characters of new text, so it needs a little more expansion.
TJMSmith hasn't edited since April. Marking the nomination for closure as stale, though it may continue if another editor decides to pick this up in their stead. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Seems a shame to let this die simply for a lack of a hook:
@Rotideypoc41352, Narutolovehinata5, and TJMSmith: Thanks for saving this. ALT1 checks out and the image is public domain. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)