Talk:Cuncolim Massacre/Archive 1

Archive 1

The Title and POV

I have renamed this article from the extremely POV title of 'Martyrs of Cuncolim' to what the incident is commonly referred to outside of Church circles: 'Cuncolim Revolt'. However, I am concerned that this may also be a POV title as the actual incident involved the massacre of several unarmed clergymen and civilians by armed members of a warrior caste. I am seriously considering renaming this to 'Cuncolim Massacre', but am unable to find any reference to the incident as such. Another more or less non-incendiary title would be something as mild as 'Cuncolim Incident'.

On a completely different, but parallel note I am very concerned that the historical version of a massacre of unarmed civilians was created by the Portuguese to bolster support for the inquisition in Goa. There are claims from modern day desecendants of the Gauncars that the conflict was not entirely one sided. Their stand is that the priests did not venture (as the Church would have us believe) into a hostile village of warriors accompanied by civilians one of whom was armed with a gun, and that the conflict involved a Portuguese armed escort which inflicted casualties on the assailants. If anyone has any sources to support this story, please help us out. Tigerassault (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

the conflict has evidently generated its own opposed historiographies, and the page needs to deal with this by contextualising as much as possible. Thanks for the work you've put into expanding this! At the moment there still seems some structural problem in the way the different perspectives are juxtasposed without comment.Dsp13 (talk) 01:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Cuncolim gauncars keep making excuses because they refuse to accept that their ancestors killed unarmed people, including other Goans. Goa Inquisition started in 1560, this massacre was in 1583 (more than 20 years later). The Jesuits didn't have an armed escort because their group leader Rodolfo Acquaviva wasn't expecting an armed mob. He had arrived in Goa from Akbar's court, where religious differences were discussed in a civil manner. (Before visiting Akbar's court, he had been a teacher in St. Paul's College in Old Goa, a peaceful academic environment.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:CB2:7CB1:6FCC:D469:CC5:D566 (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The numbers involved also don't support the attempts of various parties since the last century to revise the massacre into a "revolt against foreign occupation". Hindus were already a minority in Goa by the 1580s due to native conversions, and 70% of those killed during the Cuncolim massacre were Goan Catholics. (One Hindu man of Cuncolim even murdered his own converted nephew.) All contemporary records also show that the only armed person in the group of Christians was the Portuguese layman (Gonçalo Rodrigues had one revolver that wasn't fired, because Acquaviva told him not to), whereas the Kshatriya opponents were armed with blade weapons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:C86:4C23:6971:FC3C:B2EC:BB37 (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)