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Nickname "Big D" is very accurate because is stated on "Pigskin" questions for a Social Studies class!!

I've never heard of Dallas referred to as 'Big D', however I hear it called 'D-Town' quite frequently on the radio, and occasionally by other people. Anyone else feel the same way? Maybe the two could be displayed together, or maybe 'Big D' should be removed altogether... -- RedPoptarts 04:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Dallas has been nicknamed 'Big D' for years and years. Postoak 04:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The city even uses it in marketing: for instance, Bigd-ed.org is their economic development website.. and it opens with "The Big D - Dallas - everything you want and more!" D-Town isn't much of a nickname, even if it is used. Atlanta is A-Town.. Houston H-Town.. even smaller cities here in DFW use the same shortening. D-Town is DeSoto, C-Town is Carrollton. eh. drumguy8800 C T 05:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Dallas has been called "The Big D" for at least sixty years.[1][2] And please do not forget the country music classic by Mark Chesnutt: "Goin' Through the Big D." (It hit #2 on the country charts in 1995). — SMULaw09 | (talk) 04:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
How about "D-Town"? This nickname is frequently added (and removed) from the infobox. The edit summary when being added is "Everyone here callas Dallas D town". I thought D-Town was Detroit. Postoak 09:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
It may be that Detroit often is called D-town, and more often than Dallas. It's certainly not Dallas' best-known nickname, but it is one of them. I teach at a DISD school and my students all use the D-town nickname. It is, however, a pretty recent thing, whereas Big D — as has been mentioned — goes back a long way. There's an old song, "I'm going to Big D, my, oh, yes / I'm going to Big D, little a, double-l, a, s" and Allan Sherman has a line in his 1963(ish) song "Me" that says, "And I always dress my carcass / In the best from Neiman-Marcus / That's a big store in Big D." Lawikitejana 15:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Update: We can't put original research in the articles, but we can discuss it here... what I found in a cursory search is that it seems to be a phenomenon of the last year or so, and possibly mostly in African-American and Latino communities (which covers >99% of my school). As recently as 2005, a Dallas Morning News writer specifically complained in a review that the band Switchfoot had been ignorant to refer to Dallas as "D-Town" in its concert when everybody knows "D-Town is Detroit" (Mike Daniels, "Switchfoot stumbles," DMN, Nov. 10, 2005, Guide Live section, 5G). So I'd say that until we see a reliable source discussing it — at which point we can just add a whole section on the history of the nicknames! — we can just have a hidden note in the edit screen that says not to add that in. Lawikitejana 15:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Same issues with Houston nicknames. We decided to only allow the official nickname in the infobox. See Nicknames of Houston, Texas. We created this article and linked it to the main article after weeks of discussion. Postoak 21:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

'Check' - Houston and Central Texas Railroad & $5000

I just removed vandalism from this sentence, and have become suspicious of its factuality. This information is not found in the parent history article, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. So after a brief search, i was unable to find any sites that could backup this claim (that did not appear to have pulled their information from Wikipedia). Can someone else try looking for a reliable source on this? If not, it needs to be removed. -- RedPoptarts 23:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

It is, however, located in this article: History of Dallas, Texas (1856-1873). I'm pretty sure I added the information, and I sure as hell didn't make it up. Three major sources I've used have been the Dallas Historical Society, the Handbook of Texas, and this book: Payne, Darwin (1982). "Chapter V: A New Century, A New Dallas". Dallas, an illustrated history. Woodland Hills, California: Windsor Publications. pp. 119–155. ISBN 0-89781-034-1... however, the information is not in the handbook or on the dallas historical society pages, and I don't have the aforementioned book with me. I'll grab the book from the library in a few days to verify. -- drumguy8800 C T 02:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Broken Citations

As of 00:19, 31 March 2007, the following citations are broken:

  • (#17) Dallasarboretum.org - General Info. Retrieved 17 April 2006.
  • (#18) Lake Ray Hubbard - the Hook! Guide to Lone Star Lakes and Lunkers. Retrieved 17 April 2006.
  • (#19) Naval Air Station Dallas - Author: David Weber. Retrieved 3 May 2006.
  • (#21) TXDOT - Wildflower Facts. Retrieved 26 March 2006.
  • (#59) Dallas Revolution - Information from home page. Retrieved 20 October 2006.
  • (#60) DallasZoo.com - General Information. Retrieved 28 September 2006.
  • (#68) Cathedralofhope.com - History. Retrieved 17 April 2006.
  • (#77) As ranked by the Fortune Global 500. (Other wikipedia articles are not valid sources)
  • (#88) FBI says Dallas most dangerous large city in 2005. Houston Chronicle. 19 September 2006.
  • (#99) DallasISD.org - Inside DISD. Retrieved 1 May 2006.
  • (#103) DallasLibrary.org. Retrieved 13 March 2006. (Too vague of citation, needs a direct link)

-- RedPoptarts 06:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed: #17, #18, #19, #21.... will fix more tomorrow -- drumguy8800 C T 06:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Demographics

The statement I posted it earlier was true. Dallas has the ninth largest concentration of same sex couples in the United States. If you dont believe me I have this source from Time Magazine here with a link below. I had trouble acessing the references to make the change. The Lavender Heart Of Texas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.45.37 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 17 June 2007

This entire section is crap right now. The numbers are completely contradictory, in every sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.84.18.151 (talk) 17:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree and the claim that the population in Pleasant Grove is predominantly African American is completely false. How is this possible when the schools in the area have a majority "Hispanic" population? 

  Just a thought... but Hispanic is a matter of origin, not race, isn't it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.8.128 (talk) 11:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

2004 Presidential Elections

Dallas didn't vote for Kerry, it voted for Bush by 1.4%. check your facts.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.253.108 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 18 June 2007

I just added the truth that George Bush beat Kerry by 1.4%. Check any media outlet, website, or any other entity that knows anything about politics to confirm that my edit was correct. John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.253.108 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 18 June 2007

It seems the only reason you think it's the "truth" is because apparently you can't tell a city apart from a county.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 (talk • contribs) 03:26, 27 June 2007

The following was previously under a section called "Politics" but I merged it.

Bush won Dallas COUNTY by 1.4%. That doesn't necessarily mean Dallas itself voted GOP. That's like saying San Diego city voted GOP just because its county did. It just doesn't work that way. Dallas is simply surrounded by rock-solid Republican suburbs. The city proper is just barely half of the county's population.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 24 June 2007

I guess you could be right, but I have a hard time believing that the city of Dallas can vote that strongly for Kerry, but still have the county vote for Bush (it isn't that big). I'm not saying Kerry can't have won (you're right I did mix up the county and city) but leave some kind of link so that I can confirm he won by as much as was originally stated. -John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.254.232 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 28 June 2007
Maybe, but take a good look at Houston/Harris County. Harris county went Republican by a solid 10 points, and Houston's also a little over half of Harris County's population. One would either assume that Houston is much more moderate than Dallas, or its suburbs are more hard-right.
I don't have a copy handy, and I can't find a searchable version online, but the 2006-07 edition of the Texas Almanac had a table that showed county-by-county breakdowns of votes; I don't remember if it showed district by district so as to delineate which was the city itself went. I'll see if I can find a citation in The Dallas Morning News, but it should be borne in mind that it'll probably be in the archives and thus not as easily retrieved by people without using things like public-library access.Lawikitejana 15:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

City webpage

I know that someone edited www.dallascityhall.com to www.dallascityhall.org. However, even if we go to the .org page, and then go to the privacy policy on the same domain, it gives the privacy policy for DallasCityHall.com. This means that the city probably bought both domains (.org and .com) but prefers the .com one, and just uses the other one for someone who may think it's .org. Let's leave it at .com, please. This is what they advertise citywide. Edward (talk) 04:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Crime Update

It probably should be noted that the crime rating of Dallas is potentially inaccurate according to this article.

--That is rather obscure and not from a very credible source. The crime section of this article is sugar-coated to the point of being outright irresponsible. --Jleon 12:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

North CENTRAL texas?

Why is it said Dallas is in North Central Texas when it is really in the North East?

Because true "North" Texas is the Panhandle. Knowledgebycoop 07:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
The word "Central" is almost never used or heard by those of us who live in the Dallas / Ft. Worth Metroplex. Instead, this area is just referred to as North Texas, including by all the media stations in this area. Jatterb (talk) 01:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The northest part of Texas is the Panhandle, but it isn't refered to as North Texas: DFW is. Basketball110 00:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Image of Dallas

The map of Dallas is inaccurate. The red areas to the left (square) and right of Dallas proper are not part of Dallas and the one on the right is Lake Ray Hubbard. Knowledgebycoop 07:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The red area to the left is North Lake and the surrounding area, which is an exclave of the city of Dallas; and you're right, the portion on the right is Lake Ray Hubbard, which is also an exclave of the city of Dallas. The city owns full water-rights of both lakes and they are considered part of the city of Dallas. -- drumguy8800 C T 09:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

  • Image:Dallas Morning News 2006 front cover.png needs a fair use rationale.
  • Image:Xvixionx 29 April 2006 Dallas Skyline.jpg is far too large.
  • Text should not be sandwiched between two adjacent images.
  • Web references should state the author, publisher, publishing date and access date, if known.
    • For such a short line, this is going to be a truckload of work. I will add the sections and cross them out as competed.--The Jacobin (talk) 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  • "See also" links belong at the top of sections.
  • The bold and coloured text in the Transportation section should be removed.
  • The "verification needed" tags should be attended to.
  • Please provide citations for these statements:
    • "Dallas, and its surrounding area, is mostly flat and lies at an elevation ranging from 450 feet (137 m) to 550 feet (168 m). The western edge of the Austin chalk formation, a limestone escarpment, rises 200 feet (61 m) and runs roughly north-south through Dallas County."
    • "Even though Dallas lies at the lower end of the "Tornado Alley", that day had the worst tornadoes to happen to the metroplex in the last 50 years."
    • "Due to Dallas's spread out nature and high amount of urban sprawl, automobiles are the only available mode of transportation for many. All time recorded high is 113F,and all time recorded low is 2F."
    • "In a larger context, the Dallas-area is seen as right-wing politically, with a heavy cultural emphasis placed on Protestant Christianity and close historical and cultural ties to both the rugged American West and agricultural South. The popular television series Dallas bolstered this view epitomizing the city with wealthy oil barons, big hair, and cowboy hats. However, a closer look at the city proves this image to be nothing more than an outdated stereotype."
    • "In 2006, Republican Tom Leppert defeated Ed Oakley by a margin of 58% to 42% to become the Mayor of Dallas, though the city's elections are non-partisan."
    • "In the 2006 elections for Dallas County judges, 41 out of 42 seats went to Democrats."
    • "The Dallas Morning News, which was founded in 1885 by A. H. Belo and is Belo Corp's flagship newspaper. The Dallas Times Herald, started in 1888, was the Morning News's major competitor until Belo purchased the paper on 8 December 1991 and closed the paper down the next day."
    • "Between the late 1980s and the early 2000s, Dallas suffered a lengthy recession and has only recently bounced back—like much of the country, the real estate market has improved significantly in recent years."
    • "This organizational structure was recently contested by some in favor of a strong-mayor city charter only to be rejected by Dallas voters."
    • "In 1995, the Dallas Fire Department Training Academy (now the Chief Dodd Miller Training Academy) began to host firefighter recruits from other Metroplex municipalities in its 22 week basic firefighter training school, effectively becoming a regional training center. The Academy is reverently known as “the Tower” by instructors and graduates, referring to the facility's most taxing structure/activity: a six story tower whose staircase is routinely climbed three times in rapid succession by recruits in full gear and hi-rise hose packs."
    • "The school is highly selective, admitting around 200 students a year. The facility enrolls 3,255 postgraduates and is home to four Nobel Laureates: three in physiology/medicine and one in chemistry."
    • "Ursuline Academy of Dallas, founded by a group of Ursuline nuns in 1874, is credited with being the oldest school in the city."
    • "Another beltway around the city is planned upwards of 45 miles (72 km) from downtown in Collin County."
    • "criss-crossed by a vast network of highways which has led to and contributes to Dallas being a very low-density city"

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GA/R). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards, Epbr123 22:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

  • As there is still much work to do, I'm afraid I've had to delist the article. Epbr123 09:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Correcting these errors

It is odd that two years later, so little has changed. I will strikethrough the suggestions as I can work through them.--The Jacobin (talk) 06:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

While cleaning up the web references in the first several sections shows that they are quite a mess, even have been vandalized. I will try to salvage the references that actually support the statements being cited, but some are just completely unsupportable.--The Jacobin (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

pronunciation

Does anyone really pronounce Dallas "dalloos", with the vowel of foot? I took it out; please replace if I'm wrong. kwami 02:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Second Largest

"according to the 2000 census" Well, in 2006 estimate it is the second largest. Shouldn't this be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Big texas lump (talk • contribs) 14:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Something isn't right with what has been posted about the 2006 Census estimation numbers. The first paragraph says that Dallas has about 1.5 million people. The City Population listed in the first table on the page says 1,632,940, as does the Historical Populations table about two-thirds of the way down the page. However, Reference #1 (Population Estimates for the 25 Largest U.S. Cities based on July 1, 2006 Population Estimates) shows that the esitmated population is 1,232,940. Am I missing another reference that was used that shows a higher population for the city? Jatterb (talk) 01:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I must say, the Texas article refers to Dallas and Houston as the two largest cities. So there is a bit of a discrepancy there for anyone who wants to read up more on Dallas from the Texas article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.20.122.31 (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Sister Cities

Can anyone add a section on Sister Cities for Dallas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom3605 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

385 sqmi??

The city covers 385 square miles?? Really? - Denimadept (talk) 20:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not? By comparison, Los Angeles, California covers 469.1 square miles. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
The number struck me as a lot bigger than the city really seems. But if it's going to be that big, it should be BIGGER than LA, 'cause it's in TEXAS. Oh well. - Denimadept (talk) 22:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
California is long, while Texas is fat (or wide). And we have more people (almost thirteen million)! We need the space! So, it makes sense... Lady Galaxy 23:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

JFK assassination

This is the city where famously, as it happened, the 35th president of the United States was assassinated. Why isn't this anywhere in the entry? The Gnome (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


Odd tables in Law and Government section

The table with all the major sports teams and their victories is stuck in the section on Law and Government. I've tried to figure out the cause, but I don't seem to be able to. Anyone know why this is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillmont (talk • contribs) 03:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Ideas for articles to Include for Project Dallas/HighlandPark/UniversityPark/Richardson:

Dear Whoever is in Charge of this Page:

I have found one or more biographical pages on Jeff Dunham, ventriloquist who was born in Dallas, went to Richardson High School, Highland Park Presbyterian Church, and Sky Ranch Summer Camp. I thought you might wish to include him in Project Dallas or something like that.

I started an article on Mary Mills, Opera Singer, and I thought that since she is from Dallas, Texas and went to Highland Park High School, Highland Park Presbyterian Church, and things like that. I thought that you might wish to include her in Project Dallas as well.

Just some suggestions.

CuriousQuestioner, a Dallasite

—Preceding unsigned comment added by CuriousQuestioner (talk • contribs) 16:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Sports Section

That is kind of weird how the sports table is included in the law and government section. I would fix it but I don't know how to edit tables. Faethon Ghost (talk) 01:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

817

A quick check of the borders of the City of Dallas and of the 817 area code leads me to believe that there is no overlap. I'm removing 817 from the list of area codes. (In any case, 817 overlaps completely with 682, so it is nonsense to add one without the other). -AdamRoach (talk) 01:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Dallas, Texas would be moved to Dallas. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash (talk) 16:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Protection

When I was on this page on Saturday, February 07, 2009, someone had vandalised it. Maybe someone should protect it. (User:Liddlebigguy) 21:56, 08 February 2009 (UTC)

NY times article

I haven't done much editing on this page, but here is a recent NY times article you might use as a source. http://travel.nytimes.com/2009/02/08/travel/08hours.html Oldag07 (talk) 17:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Dallas picture of skyline?

The picture of the skyline on the page is probably not the best photo we could use for the page, it doesn't include Reunion Tower, or one of the biggest landmarks in Dallas. Can somebody replace the photo, please? Thanks, 71.244.10.160 (talk) 07:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


Also, why was there a picture of a kid 'hidden' on the right horizon? It was some partly transparent ugly prepubescent child, how long had that been there? o_o —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/sd (talk) 00:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Largest city?

"Dallas (pronounced /ˈdæləs/) is the largest city in the state of Texas and the eighth-largest in the United States.".

Isn't Houston (much) larger? Dallas is the largest metropolitan area in Texas though. Chriszwolle (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Gay Bar Raid

There was a gay bar raid on Saturday, June 27th. This happened on the 40th aniversity of the Stonewall Riots.

Should there be mention of this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.129.90 (talk) 00:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That happened in Fort Worth, not Dallas. EconSnob (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)EconSnob

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dallas/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The liberalism of Dallas seems to be a bit over exaggerated. Dallasites regardless of ethnic background are generally more conservative than other cities of this size. The bias may be due to the fact that the author is a secular/humanist type. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.158.164.229 (talk • contribs)
This is true ;) I won't deny it, I wrote a good deal of it—we need a large pool of editors. drumguy8800 C T 08:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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