Talk:David Andrews (diplomat)

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	This article was accepted on 5 July 2012 by reviewer Zad68 (talk · contribs).

Article issues[edit]

This article was an AFC submission, and from the initial submission, it looks like it was trying to position the subject as a writer and not as a former diplomat, economist or as someone involved in the largest superannuation fund fraud in Australian history. However, based on reliable sources, the subject's notability is greatest as someone involved in the largest superannuation fund fraud in Australian history, and not as a writer. All the writing references were self-published, links to sale sites, or blogs. Reliable source coverage from newspapers covers mostly his involvement with Trio Capital. This article really needs to be researched and refocused more on his history as a diplomat, economist and fraud involvement. Zad68 15:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i have done some rearranging and adding of some content. hopefully it is a little better now. I did not actively look for anything about the services as a diplomat, but it is mentioned in passing in one of the sources.

the Works section though seemed to end up being pretty redundant and could still use some clean up.-- The Red Pen of Doom 17:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, good working on this with you... I did a little more today and I'll keep poking back in on this article. Zad68 14:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

COI tag[edit]

I have placed the COI tag because the original creator of the article is Rivowriter (talk · contribs), and the subject of the article's personal blog is titled "RIVOWRITER", so it is likely that there is a connection between the author of this article and its subject. Zad68 16:17, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

article disambiguation[edit]

It seems to me that disambiguation descriptions are usually fairly broad, and this one (Trio Capital chairman) appears to be very specific. also, how do the disambigs work when the subject has a wide ranging number of areas for which they may be known and for which someone might be looking for them? -- The Red Pen of Doom 16:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I was the one who changed the initial suggested disambig from something like "Australian writer" to "Trio Capital chairman". In trying to think of a good disambig, I ran into the exact same issue you're talking about--how to make a disambig for someone who has claims to notability in two completely distinct areas. I considered that his notability was much, much stronger regarding his involvement with Trio Capital than as a writer under pen name Morisset. I then tried to think of disambigs ... (Australian)? (businessman)? Look at the number of entries we have for David Andrews, quite a few. In the end, I decided to go with the most likely Google search qualifier. I imagined someone looking for the subject of this article, doing a search on "David Andrews" and seeing the results... "Look, there a David Andrews, but he's an actor, not what I want. Hockey guy, not what I want. Irish politician, not what I want," and then redoing the search with a qualifier, most likely: David Andrews Trio Capital, and that would take the searcher to the correct result. If you have a better idea for a disambig, I'm interested to see! Zad68 14:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, i do not have any good (or even bad) suggestions. But i left a note at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people) asking for help from people who might.-- The Red Pen of Doom 15:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After soliciting two other opinions I have changed him to (Australian diplomat). —Anne Delong (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]