Talk:David Crowder Band

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Asterisk redux[edit]

I noticed the page was recently moved to "David Crowder*Band". I scanned the talk page, and every previous discussion of the matter seems to be in favor of keeping the non-asterisk version. I've moved it back, since this seems to be the supported name. Let's discuss it here next time before changing it again... --Fru1tbat (talk) 18:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the asterisks that were in the page text. Thank you for moving it back. It seems as though we have some rather enthusiastic individuals working on this article! =David(talk)(contribs) 06:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking on Members?[edit]

Why was the Members section blanked to include only the former members? Ianthegecko (talk) 23:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Crowder plays the...Guitar Hero controller?[edit]

Uhhh, unless there's some sort of weird citation, I'll remove this because that looks like vandalism to me. It's/was under the section that shows what David Crowder plays.

David Crowder DOES in fact play a guitar hero controller. I have seen him do this in concert. Twice. =LittleMissDynamite

He has played the controller. They turn it into a MIDI controller of some sort. I saw him do it twice at CreationFest. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh For Joy[edit]

For future reference, DC*B's Oh for Joy is actually not officially an album. It is an EP. It is a rather big EP, but it is nevertheless an EP. It is listed as an EP on Billboard's website, on Jesus Freak Hideout's website, on CCM Magazine's website, and by the band itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkr64294 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1996-2012[edit]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidcrowderband/6645472107/in/photostream/

they have finished their last tour, released their last album (at passion). they are finally done. 2012 encompasses the entire year. i think its safe to list 2012 as their band's closing.

there's a letter even on their website.

http://www.davidcrowderband.com/letter.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.227.114 (talk) 07:34, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And the album is not yet released. I fully understand the concept that they will no longer be touring, but that's not the end of the band. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its the end of the band I talked to the band about it. ONE KEY MEMBER IS MOVING OUT OF TX. without them there is no band. the band has put all over twitter there over. Also why is it that Walter Gorlitz keeps changing everyones stuff on here and keeps trying to like other people have said highjack this wiki??? Walter Gorlitz do you know the David Crowder Band??? Or much info about them??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.59.206 (talk) 00:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As of January 10 it is fine to state that they are no longer a band--the album has been released. I know a great deal about the band, and have not been the only one reverting the material. However, facts don't require a personal association with the subject. Do you know much about Wikipedia or the way it works? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you insist on restoring useless, unecyclopedic material as with this edit, you will be blocked from editing. Where the band enjoys frequenting for dinners is not relevant, especially when it's unreferenced. Detailed information about former owners of the barn are primary source issues, and don't affect the type or quality of the music. If a secondary source can be found to back this material up. Also, there is no such word as "alot".
According to WP:MOSDATE, date ranges are to be separated by en-dashes, not dashes, so when you change the article again, don't change the dash.
Citation needed templates require the editor who removes it to add a reference, or explain why it's common knowledge. Removing it as you did above, is a violation on Wikipedia.
Removing dead links is against editing policy.
According to wikipedia's capitalization policy, "Heaven" and "Unforseen" do not need to be capitalized.
Please be a cooperative editor rather than an uncooperative one. The former will help build bridges increase your circle of friends. The latter will find you blocked from editing. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Heaven" and "Unforseen" are from how the songs are writin if u like look it up online. thats why it was changed. Them eatting In-N-Out is on there website and twitter and how much they love it. If u know much about the barn u whould know about they recording it it. hosting hoe downs in it. filming it in and so on. If u like i can send you info and you can add it in. i know alot about this band that i will not put on here. also wiki says its jan 10 2012 now. Also because of the barn is why David loves Dr Peper and why there tour bus was stocked with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.59.206 (talk) 01:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia regularly "corrects" incorrectly capitalized words to meet its styles. Check the titles of albums and songs on them. The fact that neither is lyric is referenced makes confirming your statement all the more difficult. In short, Wikipedia generally doesn't capitalize words that represent Christ with capital letters, mot notably "he". It's a way of stylizing the word to give the read some clue as to the relation between the noun or pronoun and God. The quote could be reduced to avoid "heaven"/"Heaven", and it should be referenced and not to a commercial lyrics site.
Eating anywhere is not notable, unless a notable song references it. The fact that they have written about it doesn't make it notable. If someone else were to publicize it, it might be notable. However, as it stands, it's trivia, and not appropriate.
The barn is notable, and they a lot of videos in it. However, that doesn't make it notable. The fact that Crowder likes Dr Pepper and they happen to have a piece of Dr Pepper memorabilia isn't notable outside of it being trivial.
Remember, this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. We only write about notable material and leave the trivia for the band's own site and fan forums and fan sites. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The album has been officially released and so their obligations to their label are completed. I'm surprised that the several anonymous editors haven't already made the change. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
who made u the person that says what can stay and dose not on here walter? i know this is the kind of stuff that u do for a living but wiki is a place for people to upload info and all i see is u rewriting and always picking what stays and what not... is it wrong that i get most of my info from the band or i know stuff that may be old so i cant always put a link to where its from at that point. alot of info i knwo i will never even put on here. you make wiki no fun and thats sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokejk (talk • contribs) 00:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please read your talk page. I made a detailed explanation there of all of the faults in your additions.
As for you assertion that a "wiki is a place for people to upload info", you're off base in relation to Wikipedia. This wiki is a dictionary. In fact WP:NOT clearly refutes your claim.
AS for your claim that you get your info directly from the band, I'm deeply pleased for you. Save the "fancruft" for your blog. We'll be glad to take well-written, non-trivial referenced material. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notice[edit]

Walter Gorlitz and the other editor should stop reverting each other's edits. Discuss this in an appropriate fashion as doing continous reversions of your edits is only going to get you blocked for edit warring. Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 02:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to discuss discuss and pointed the other editor to the appropriate policy and did so in the edit summaries. I also didn't realize that WP:3RR applied to talk pages. Sorry. Will take care to remember in the future. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Discuss with the editor. Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 02:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Based on this edit, I believe that the other editor doesn't want to discuss (or wants the cookie), but I also believe that the other editor isn't going to continue with the present types of edits either. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TheDigitalAge Facebook Page[edit]

It's not unverified, the David Crowder*Band Facebook page 'likes' Mike Dodson's Facebook page which 'likes' TheDigitalAge's Facebook page, hence it is the real Mike Dodson and, by extension, the real Bush, Waldrop, and Parker. I'm not sure how technically knowledgeable you are, but going to thedigitalagemusic.com and viewing the source reveals this: 

<meta name="Description" content="The Digital Age Music.  The Digital Age is Mark Waldrop, Mike Dodson, Jack Parker, and Bwack.">

It's a verified source. Also, both Mark Waldrop and Mike Dodson's OFFICIAL Twitter accounts follow TheDigitalAge's Twitter account. I'm not going to undo your recent edit, however, because I'm not interested in a petty squabble with someone who can't logically reason the obvious evidence. 129.97.242.123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]

1) It's not a third-party source. It's not reliable.
2) There's no content on the page other than the "likes" and the supposed member names: "Members Mark Waldrop, Mike Dodson, Jack Parker, The Bwack." However I can create a page too and like Crowder's page from there. Likes don't have to be approved. I could call the band "The Unreliable Sources" and point to it. It wouldn't mean anything.
3) Find a reliable third-party source like CCM Magazine online, JesusFreakHideout, or even a local newspaper that interviewed them and gives the band a name.
I'm glad you're not going to undo my edit because I'd take it to administrators who might just lock the article for editing.
Please understand that this isn't about the new band name or Facebook but rather whether the page actually say anything that can be verified and whether the source is reliable. Don't confuse the two arguments. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
1) You're right, it's not from a third-party, it's a primary source, from the band members themselves.
2) Wrong direction. I'm saying Crowder Band likes Waldrop likes TheDigitalAge, not the other way around. The way you imply is obviously false, I know quite well how Facebook works, trust me.129.97.120.133 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Did you read the sources for venerability and reliability? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just going to point out that on Mike Dodson's Twitter page he links to thedigitalagemusic.com and you'll also notice that Dodson, Parker, and Waldrop all have used the #asterisksoundstudio hash tag in their tweets.129.97.242.123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks. Would you mind checking out what a reliable source actually is? Follow this link: WP:RS. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not going to waste my time looking for non-existent peer-reviewed journals or encyclopedia entries on the topic, especially in the current age of social media. I shall simply wait. And relish in the moment that the information is added to this page with a source that meets your standards. I do sincerely thank you though, the fact that people like you constantly watch and fact-check Wikipedia is a great asset, and only proves the point I make to people that Wikipedia is actually reviewed and maintained.129.97.242.123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC).[reply]
No one is talking about those sorts of things. A newspaper article is fine. A magazine interview or review will do. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Digital Age Rockumentary 7: "Better When We're Together"129.97.242.123 (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're not quite clear on what a third-party source is. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why is a third-party source necessary over a trustworthy primary source? If I make a website that can be confirmed to be actually owned and made by me, and I say I can speak French and English, why would it be necessary for someone else to prove that I speak French and English when it can be confirmed that I myself said it? If Apple posts product specs, the Wikipedia article cites the product specs released by Apple, not a third party source. Which is more reliable, the actual manuscript of the Magna Carta or someone's writings about the Magna Carta?129.97.242.123 (talk) 02:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This particular primary source is rambling and doesn't really say it effectively. And see WP:PRIMARY for the main reason. Your arguments are not the equivalent to what we're seeing here. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Regardless, I noticed that after a different IP added it, you simply added the "Citation Needed" template.. Yet when I tried to add it, removed.129.97.242.123 (talk) 16:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But the other IP added just the phrase. I re-worded it and added the CN because it still needs one. The issue is the source, not the information. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:38, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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