Talk:David Ochterlony Dyce Sombre

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Created page[edit]

Some useful references to add to this: Mad heir to the Begum's fortune, Mr. Dyce Sombre's refutation of the charge of lunacy brought against him in the Court of Chancery --Goldsztajn (talk) 18:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--NRPanikker (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)=='First' MP of 'Asian Descent' - claim questioned==[reply]

I question the statement in the introductory lines that Sambre is held to be the first MP of Asian descent in the British Parliament. Robert Jenkinson an MP from 1790 (in then Parliament of Great Britain), for Rye and Appleby, until 1803 when he raised to the House of Lords, and ultimately Prime Minister as Earl of Liverpool, had a mother who was half-Indian, making Jenkinson one-quarter Anglo-Indian. (see particularly Wikipedia biography)Cloptonson (talk) 21:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This "quarter Indian" claim is based on the idea that Lord Liverpool's great-grandmother, Isabella Beizor (see the talk page of his Wikipedia entry) was an Eurasian rather than a Portuguese woman born in Goa. So at most he would be one-sixteenth Indian, but even that has not been confirmed. To claim him as Indian you need to use the American "one drop" criterion in Georgian England, which would be anachronistic. NRPanikker (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Descendents[edit]

This section was cut, on the grounds that Wikipedia cannot cite Wikipedia. (What the ref said was "Most of this information is directly copied from the Wikipedia entry on Begum Samru, Dyce Sombre's patron and step-great-grandmother.) Quite right. I place the sentences here, in case anyone wishes to pursue the sources. On the surface, it sounds interesting.

Walter Sombre's bloodline is still surviving through his younger sister Georgiana (b. 1807, or 1815–1867) who married Baron Paolo Solaroli (1796–1878), an Italian who was also head of Begam Sumroo's Bodyguards. One of Solaroli's descendants, Capitano Giorgio Solaroli di Briona, an Italian, was one of the most famous fighter pilots in the second world war.

Carbon Caryatid (talk) 14:33, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Begum/Begam[edit]

Both these spellings occur. Is there one that should Begam be changed to Begum? RJFJR (talk) 15:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox, date & place of birth, death etc.[edit]

Requesting the addition of an Infobox to this page please. Also, details of place and date of birth etc. 220.158.191.110 (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]