Talk:David Wants to Fly

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Length of synopsis[edit]

According to WP:PLOT, the synopsis' of documentaries can be longer than that for fictional films. The section, however, appears to be a little long. Cla68 (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Cla68. The synopsis is too long. Some pruning is required and I will do this in the coming days. --BwB (talk) 17:35, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've just become aware of the posts on this talk page. As a TM related article, RS text cannot be removed with out consensus. Please bring suggestions for trimming this article to the talk page. Peremptory removal of RS text is a violation of TM arbitration even if that text seems to be in violation of a policy or guideline. Cla 68 I assume you weren't aware of the TM arbitration decisions. BWB , although a movie this article falls under the TM arbitration decisions. Sorry of I sound like the article police. Thanks.(olive (talk) 23:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Can you please provide a link, or links, to the TM arbitration decisions? I'd really like to see those. P.S. What's RS? Reliably sourced? — Mudwater^(Talk) 00:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure:[1](olive (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks. I'll start reading through it when I have more time. — Mudwater^(Talk) 00:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy!!! :O) (olive (talk) 00:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC))[reply]

FWIW, the synopsis text is unsourced. Cla68 (talk) 00:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As with virtually all film plots and synopses. Will Beback talk 00:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As is one reason why it shouldn't be a problem for it to be shortened to get in line with style standards for film articles without violating the TM sanctions. Cla68 (talk) 01:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The style guideline allows for longer synopses. For example it specifically points to Pulp Fiction whose combined plot and narrative summary is over 1500 words long. No one should edit the synopsis who hasn't seen the film, which is the source. Will Beback talk 01:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am reconsidering my earlier post about trimming the article since it seems to have stirred up some points re TM arb. --BwB (talk) 23:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus here appears to be that the synopsis is too long. I will work on it. Cla68 (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I shortened it a little, but it probably needs some more. Cla68 (talk) 23:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:FILMPLOT the synopsis should be 400-700 words. The current synopsis is over 900 words, so further trimming is needed.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I madethis edit to remove excessive detail and dialogue which created undue weight per WP:PLOT which says: "The plot summary is an overview of the film's main events, so avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, and technical detail." -- — Keithbob • Talk • 18:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The synopsis by the film company that produced the documentary is only 394 words long and can be seen here -- — Keithbob • Talk • 19:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The current synopsis contains some POV adjectives and information that is not given in the film. For example text below in italics:

The movie begins in 2006. Sieveking, the star and narrator, feels adrift after he graduates from film school and his girlfriend, novelist Marie Pohl, moves in. He wants to make dark movies like his idol, film director David Lynch, but does not feel capable. He travels to Fairfield, Iowa, the center of the Transcendental Meditation movement in the United States, to hear Lynch speak. Together with Pohl he arranges an interview in which Lynch advises him to learn the Transcendental Meditation technique. Sieveking videotapes a demonstration by Fred Travis, a Maharishi University of Management researcher, of a brain scanning EEG system which Travis says shows the efficacy of TM.

Having just viewed the entire film and taken copious notes including time signatures for each scene I am going to revise the synopsis to remove editorial info not in the film and to summarize it so it fits within the guideline of WP:PLOT.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 22:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parking off topic source[edit]

Purvis, Andrew (15 Nov 2007). "Why David Lynch Should Learn German". Time.

The above source makes no mention of the film David Wants to Fly. It does discuss an event alluded to in the synopsis of the film, but the film is the opinion of the filmaker and the synopsis has no sources to support it. Therefore, using a source to substantiate an event that is supposedly described in the film is Original Research. Maybe the source has some value in another article on TM or David Lynch so I"m parking it here. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 17:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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