Talk:Davis & Shirtliff

I understand that this article about the Davis & Shirtliff Group has been highlighted for speedy deletion for infringement of G11 "Unambiguous advertising of promotion".

Having re-read my article I can see how some of the content which is aimed at highlighting Davis & Shirtliff's activities may appear to suggest that I am advertising the services of Davis & Shirtliff. In light of this I have edited the article and hope to have achieved objectivity by removing any mention of its method of operation and the products and services it provides, within reason.

However, I do refute your suggestion that the Davis & Shirtliff Group are not important or notable as they are the largest, oldest and most well established provider of water and solar equipment in Kenya and, as a result, are a household name. Furthermore, Davis & Shirtliff provide a high level of expertise in the water sector within East Africa. Something which is recognised and made use of by a number of non-governmental organisations working to provide potable water to underprivileged members of society.

Please sing your posts. Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 00:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The concept of "notability" for inclusion in Wikipedia is considerably different than dictionary–definition notability. In very general terms, before a person, place, thing, organization, or idea can be included in Wikipedia it must have

• already been recognized
• as important or significant
• by objective, independent, and provable third party sources
• with a established reputation for fact-checking
• which are independent of both the subject of the article and of Wikipedia itself.

That's just a plain-English generalization of the actual rules to give you an idea of what's going on here, so don't rely on it but refer to the actual policies instead. (For a great analogy illustrating these concepts, see WP:SCRABBLE.) Without a working knowledge of Wikipedia policy it can be very frustrating to try to write an article that won't be deleted. I've tried several times to write a better introduction to editing than can be found at the Article Wizard and Your First Article and I can't. Don't be tempted to skip past sections of either one, they're full of solid gold information. Also, if you've not done so already, you need to read the Notability, Verifiability, No original research, What Wikipedia is not, and Conflict of interest policies from beginning to end. Good luck with your editing, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I have lived in Nairobi and can confirm Davis & Shirtliff is renowned in Kenya- a household name in some parts- and has a significant presence across East Africa. I'm new to the law of Wikipedia, but when i googled D&S lots of independent references came up from various newspaper articles and websites in Kenya. I would argue that the company certainly qualifies on the grounds of notability. It is at the top of its field and is remarkable as such a rapidly expanding Kenyan company. In my view, though the entry needs work to comply with Wikipedia law, it is an important addition to the encyclopedia.Bunnkey (talk) 05:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunnkey (talk • contribs) 05:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bunkey (please remember to sign your posts). We probably all believe that this company is notable and important, even I as the major caller for deletion. However, it all needs to be proven, and the debate is whether the article meets our criteria for proof, not truth.--Kudpung (talk) 06:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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