Talk:Deaths in April 2018

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Seo Minwoo[edit]

The article used in reference to Seo Minwoo's death is just speculation, not a definitive cause with proof. The cause of death should be changed. Globgogabgalab (talk) 01:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources, which we follow, call it "suspected overdose". It is the best descriptor we have until a coroner's report. WWGB (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one source saying it was an overdose. Not very reliable in my opinion. Globgogabgalab (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fufi Santori[edit]

His description (and therefore life story) in the Deaths page appears to have been "beefed up" by calling him an "independence advocate", just because of his questionable one-off attempt to attain Puerto Rican citizenship in 1994, which was rejected on fully legal grounds in force at the time (since 1997, in certain circumstances, the United States now actually grants a Puerto Rican citizenship certificate, with qualification criteria for such being met on an individual basis). This is certainly not a case of "advocacy for Puerto Rican independence from the US"! Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:24, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those are my thoughts as well. The right place to mention his advocacy would be in his article, for a start. If backed by sources, he could be called an independence advocate (or similar). Nukualofa (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But I believe his being perceived as a true committed advocate of such a cause is beyond what is known of his historical actions in that direction - it appears to have been just the one 1994 application for Puerto Rican citizenship for himself, and not a measured campaign for independence for all Puerto Ricans in the wider sense. If his actions did help persuade the US Government to concede a salutary citizenship certificate to the people (in 1997), then any real activism by him certainly went some way towards an achievement, but not independence. Ref ^(chew)(do) 23:11, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Darcy Haugan, Tyler Bieber[edit]

Hi. While I'm happy that Darcy Haugan has sufficient basic notability to be included in the Deaths page (through his responsible positions with Humboldt Broncos hockey setup), I don't accept that Tyler Bieber is notable at all for being a "radio personality" with the radio station mentioned (he doesn't appear on any list of presenters that I can find, and for all I know may have just been making the tea there). Internet searches on his name don't help his cause at all - there appear to be several people with that name in many other occupations, some of which might have a more obvious semblance of notability about them. As we have often agreed, it is not advisable to post multiple names from a multiple-death event in the hope that notability will stick with more than one or all of them. Choose the plainly notable, and "if in doubt, leave out". Consensus here please on whether to keep one, both or none. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:23, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or the others being added as I type......... Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. He just seems to mentioned in passing in one article about the crash. I have removed his name from the list. DrKilleMoff (talk) 18:39, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

None of those players are notable. They should be removed, with (for now) Haugan as the only entry. Nukualofa (talk) 20:10, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aye. Junior hockey players aren't the sort of people whose work can be reexamined more favourably posthumously. They either make it big later, or they don't. All victims will soon be summarized in news, but all will forever be on the same sporting level they died at. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just a footnote on Haugan - his name now bluelinks via a redirect to the bus crash article, fair enough. So why has someone then piped the bus crash article into his entry's wikilink when the redirect does that automatically? (Reverted.) We all know that piping names in that manner is almost always a no go. Ref ^(chew)(do) 22:22, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since his name is a redirect (which means he will need to be removed from the Deaths article if it stays one) why treat it as a valid link?LE (talk) 00:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an arbitrary thing by choice - past consensus has always allowed redirects like that to achieve third-party linkage, rather than the frowned-upon piping to get the same end. It's a practice, not a whim. And of course it will go after thirty days, assuming the redirect isn't converted into a successful standalone article. I don't see the issue. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:02, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Riordan[edit]

Removed once (not by me) as non-notable, apart from method of her sad demise in the air accident, please explain how her notability has improved 100%. Ref ^(chew)(do) 05:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's a blue link, so stays for the usual period. Will be removed after 7 May if no article. WWGB (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As you wish. Doesn't even meet the bare criteria of notability - the newsworthiness is in the connection to the event, and that's all. Ref ^(chew)(do) 12:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Danger[edit]

So far, we have differing sources giving differing ages for the above subject. An assumption is being made that, because someone once saw an article in 2016 that he had just turned 25, the age can therefore be introduced by counting upwards, without any verification. Well, here's a source which differs on this, and it doesn't allow any assumption to be made by adding three years onto it that he was an age which is valid enough to be entered: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/71873695/car-surfer-johnny-danger-bennett-loses-license (it clearly states that his age in 2015 was 26, so how on earth can he be 26 now? The New Zealand reporting outlet is a reliable source much used in these pages). When anyone can post a link to a verifiable date of birth or an up-to-date reference to his age at death, the subject's true age can be inserted. But not on an assumption. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not the most reliable of sources, but [1] gives both DOB and age. WWGB (talk) 00:59, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. So my early ASSUMPTION that he was 29 and not 26 (which I did not therefore introduce into the subject line) was sourced correctly if not brilliantly in the end. I had also found anecdotal evidence of his birthdate through a Deleted Wiki archive site - his deleted Wikipedia article apparently quoted the same birthdate as in your link. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 04:57, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Inuka's cause/method of death, and the next euthanized bear's[edit]

We've a reliable source by his entry saying vets "decided not to revive him from anaesthesia." And we've Ref burying this because "The method is not relevant to the entry here."

The "method" is the "cause of death", and the top of the page says to add it (if known). So how's it irrelevant? Are executions also just executions, making their methods pointless, too? What about suicides? Euthanasia isn't far off from either circumstance; the proper authorities lawfully kill their captive, but for mercy rather than punishment. In any circumstance, gassing is different from shooting, as bolting is different from lethal injection.

I get that sources rarely give the cause in euthanasia stories, so we usually just say "euthanized". But that's because we didn't know, not because it's standard. The standard is already laid out at the top of the page, and nowhere does it say "except for bears" or "except for euthanasia". I can't recall anyone proposing these exceptions on Talk, much less a consensus to follow. Shall we do it the way we do for everyone else, or shall we designate certain causes "methods" and exempt them? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that's because there is a limited range of options for euthanasia, either shoot 'em or shoot 'em up. WWGB (talk) 02:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Or anesthetize them, clearly. Without getting into the sad details, many (financially) poorer pets get more "primitive" mercy. Even in legally-approved humane methods, the variety afforded to slaughtered, culled or euthanized animals is far greater than it is to condemned prisoners or terminally ill citizens. When was the last time we had an execution by shoot 'em? If anything should go without saying for any class, it's "by lethal injection" for "American convicted murderer". InedibleHulk (talk) 03:28, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just because I hate seeing a question, no matter how rhetorical, unanswered: Ronnie Lee Gardner, 49, American convicted murderer, executed by firing squad -- June 18, 2010. Skudrafan1 (talk) 06:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]