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"ICC World Cup 2011"

This section doesn't make any sense. Whoever wrote it doesn't specify in which game the UDRS was first used, simply stating "after the 4th ball of the 2nd innings". Then comes "UDRS was used in a thrilling tie between India and England in Bangalore as MS Dhoni was annoyed by the system and said that it is an adulteration of human decision and technology" - no mention of the actual context of the decision, the batsman involved, the umpire, and what effect the decision had on the game. Finally, there's that bit about Ponting standing his ground when he knew he nicked it - that whole part comes off more about the evils of Ricky Ponting than it does in presenting anything informational and useful about the UDRS. I'd say the whole section needs a comprehensive re-write once the World Cup is over. Archangel3583 (talk) 08:25, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Start of the UDRS

The article says the UDRS was officially launched in 2009. There were referrals in matches before that though - see the Match Notes on the page for this 2008 match: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/343729.html - is the article wrong or were previous referral systems not the UDRS? --Dominic Sayers (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

How UDRS is untrustable?

In the first ODI match between India & England(2010-2011), Rahul Dravid,who is Indian batsman & he was in good form,was declared out due to UDRS. Actually while using the Hot-spot, not a tiny spot of touching of the ball it showed on the bat. Though he was given out by third umpire. After declaring out, umpire showed the Snickometer technology, where the sound of the ball was coming from the bat. But the fact was, the Snickometer didn't permitted by ICC to use in that serise. So the questions are,did the umpire use Snickometer technology without taking any permision from ICC? or did he take the help of sound technician,who isn't permitted by ICC? This is the very good example of how is UDRS untrustable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nariyash (talk • contribs) 16:54, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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Electro-Touch Technology

A new concept can be introduced in the current UDRS System which may overcome some of the drawbacks of the current system. This can be used to detect whether the ball has struck the bat or not. By placing a micro-accelerometer on the back of every cricket bat, it is possible to detect the touch. We(a group of four members including Abhishek J Gowda, Deepak Keshri, Goverdhan Kumar and Shyam Kumar) have done this project as our Engineering Academic project in Visvesvaraya Technological University, Karnataka, India. It can be more accurate and less expensive. More information is given in the project report. If this can be adapted in the game of cricket at the highest level, it can create a revolution in the Decision review System. Abhishek J Gowda (talk) 06:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)12 August 2014

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Reception section

I've tagged the reception section as being POV. Apart from the opening line, the entire section is just quotes and complaints about the system. Some of them are probably undue, and there should probably be some positive quotes as well, to comply with NPOV. Joseph2302 09:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was not to merge, but to shift the Umpire Review and Player Review details on the Third umpire page to the Umpire Decision Review System page, so all parts of the review process are together. Mmitchell10 (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the page Third umpire should be merged into this page. Does a Third Umpire actually have any roles which aren't part of DRS? The only content I can see on the Third Umpire page which might not be part of DRS is deciding if a boundary is a 4 or 6, not sure if that is officially part of DRS or not. Other than that, all the content on the Third Umpire page is description of what is now part of DRS, but it's inferior to the content on this page. Also, the Third Umpire page only has 3 references, 1 of which is YouTube, compared to 42 references on this page. Mmitchell10 (talk) 15:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Does DRS only refer to the system used in internationals, or does in encompass other levels of the game? The current ICC Test playing conditions link doesn't work, but from a downloaded copy from last year there does seem to be a difference between "third umpire" and DRS requirements:

1.1.3 Where the camera specification set out above is provided, a third umpire shall be appointed to the match.
1.1.4 If the minimum requirements for DRS to be used are satisfied, both participating Boards may agree to employ the DRS for a Test series. Otherwise, the third umpire shall be appointed and empowered to use broadcast replays to make decisions that are referred to him/ her in accordance with paragraph 2 (Umpire Reviews).

According to the regs, the following can have an Umpire Review requested:

Run Out, Stumped, Bowled and Hit Wicket Decisions
Caught Decisions, Obstructing the Field
Boundary Decisions (so 4s and 6s included here)
Batsmen Running to the Same End
No Balls
Cameras On or Over the Field of Play Spike 'em (talk) 11:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

After the points above, a comment on the actual proposal : I think all parts of the review process should be on one page, but whether that is at Third umpire or UDRS is another matter, as it is clear that the ICC regard them as separate parts of an overall process. Spike 'em (talk) 11:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Isn't the third umpire the "reserve official" - per this scorecard, for example? That has a separate reserve official to the TV umpire. On this scorecard from 1994/95, however, it just has the two umpires and the TV umpire, so I'm not sure when it changed - that was one of the very early series which used TV decisions.

My gut feeling is that the idea of a reserve umpire (who I think deal with balls, drinks, comes in in case of an injury etc... as much as anything else) could be covered on the page about umpires. That would then leave the DRS page to deal with the technicalities about the role of the TV umpire - there should probably be a section on the umpires page on that as well, but the DRS page can deal with the specifics of using snicko, ball tracking etc... Perhaps.

Thanks both contributors above. I've just checked the ICC Men's Test Match Playing Conditions Effective 1 September 2019, and it says:

2.1.1 The following Match Officials are to be appointed for each Test Match;
2.1.1.1 One (1) ICC Match Referee, appointed by the ICC from the ICC Elite Panel of Referees or the ICC International Panel of Referees, who shall not be from the same country as the participating teams.
2.1.1.2 Two (2) on-field umpires, appointed by the ICC from the ICC Elite Panel of Umpires or the ICC International Panel of Umpires, who shall not be from the same country as the participating teams.
2.1.1.3 One (1) third umpire, who shall act as the emergency on-field umpire and officiate in regard to the DRS, appointed by the ICC from the ICC Elite Panel of Umpires or the ICC International Panel of Umpires, who shall not be from the same country as the participating teams.
2.1.1.3.1 The playing conditions governing the use of the DRS and the third umpire are included in Appendix D.
2.1.1.4 One (1) fourth umpire, who shall act as the emergency third umpire, appointed by the Home Board, from its nominees to the ICC International Panel of Umpires.

Therefore I think Third Umpire is the TV Umpire. Therefore the 'Reserve Umpire' on the Aus v NZ scorecard must be the Fourth Umpire. This also matches in that he's the same nationality as the Home Board (Australian). Mmitchell10 (talk) 17:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

As (1) there does seem to be some difference between Third Umpire and DRS (there's always a Third Umpire, but not always DRS; and Third Umpire has emergency on-field responsibilities which aren't DRS), and (2) as there's potentially valid Third Umpire content which isn't suitable for the DRS page (such as Third Umpire history, and notable Third Umpire decisions), and (3) as there's a page for Fourth umpire, I think the solution is to keep the page for Third Umpire, but shift the DRS details to the DRS page. Mmitchell10 (talk) 21:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Third Umpire or third umpire

Both seem to be used in the article, there should be consistency. I'd plump for lower case, as is used in the ICC playing conditions quoted above. Spike 'em (talk) 14:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Also the page Third umpire consistently uses lower case. Mmitchell10 (talk) 19:58, 27 April 2020 (UTC)