Talk:Defeat device

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"Volkswagen emissions violations" could have its own section[edit]

I know it's a link already. But everybody coming to this page in 2015 (and nearly everybody in 2016) will come to the page for VW. AllThatJazz2012 (talk) 20:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, indeed. This is a work in progress. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

redundancy[edit]

with Volkswagen_emissions_violations#Previous_defeat_device_cases should get reduced. --Itu (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Redundancy is not a bad thing. See wp:summary style and wp:CLNT for examples of why Wikipedia uses redundancy to serve various goals. We don't delete anything merely because it's redundant. The purpose of the VW article section is to illustrate examples of similar incidents in the past. This article is here to describe all defeat device cases, not just vehicle cases or cases similar to VW. Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot the more important reason for the redundancy is to avoid unfair treatment of Volkswagen. Neutrality policy requires that we make clear on the Volkswagen_emissions_violations article, not somewhere else, that they aren't the first to use defeat devices and are not the first to game the testing procols. If we had an entire article devoted to Caterpillar Inc.#Clean Air Act violation then we'd need to do the same thing there. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]