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A fact from Demographic engineering appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 April 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the late Ottoman Empire has been described as "the laboratory of demographic engineering in Europe"?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the late Ottoman Empire has been described as "the laboratory of demographic engineering in Europe"? Source: https://www.academia.edu/5726057/The_late_Ottoman_Empire_as_laboratory_of_demographic_engineering
- ALT1:... that demographic engineering can range from manipulation of census results to genocide? Source: multiple, see article

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Personal Memoirs of Julia Dent Grant ‎

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

is new, is long enough, has an interesting hook (both are ok, the broader one slighlty more appealing I guess), is free of copyvio, QPQ done. good to go Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:29, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

journal article[edit]

Both Falk and Tilley are experts in the field. The article is published by Brill in a respected journal. There is at the very least no consensus on RSN that this source is unreliable. Ive restored it as WP:SCHOLARSHIP. nableezy - 15:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a journal article. It was reprinted in a yearbook containing UN documents, Israeli law, and a Trump speech. It was classified as "other", not as a "research article". It underwent no peer review, and the UN retracted it. There is no consensus at RSN this is reliable, and there is great concern regarding Falk and conspiracy theories at RSN. 11Fox11 (talk) 16:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are two authors here, and both meet the requirments of WP:SCHOLARSHIP. If they had posted this on their personal blog it would be reliable as the product of established experts in the field. And there is certainly no consensus that it is unreliable, with a majority of participants saying it is reliable. nableezy - 16:16, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is scholarship in the same manner Falk's forward to The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11, written theology professor (and 9/11 conspiracy theorist) David Ray Griffin is scholarship. Which is to say, this does not meet scholarship at all. It did not undergo peer review, and Falk's name on it is a red flag. 11Fox11 (talk) 16:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Falk is professor emeritus in international relations at Yale. His work on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been published in peer-reviewed journals and in books published by the most respected publishers on the planet. In the field of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict he is a reliable source. And then there is also Virginia Tilley, who you keep ignoring for some reason. She likewise has peer-reviewed works published on this topic. She is also a reliable source. nableezy - 17:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess an RFC will have to be held for this. But in the meantime, Ive found an article to spend my time researching. Ive started expanding the section on Israel, will continue doing so with a number of sources. nableezy - 23:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am restoring Falk and Tilley, the amount of socking by Icewhiz dramatically changes the discussion at RSN here, and removing his four accounts that supported unreliable there is a strong obvious consensus the source is reliable. nableezy - 03:46, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any mention of "demographic engineering" in the Reuters article or in the ESCWA report. Alaexis_¿question? 09:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The actual report, will fix the citations though to cite it directly. nableezy - 09:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ive cited the version of the report that Brill included in the Palestine Yearbook of International Law. nableezy - 16:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]