Talk:Demographics of Rwanda/Archive 1

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Hutu and Tutsi

This article presupposes the existence of "Tutsi" and "Hutu" as ethnic groups without any reflection of this classification. As mentioned in the article Rwanda, this classification is to a large part an invention of the Belgians (divide et impera). Among others, the number of cows that someone owned decided wheter you got a "Hutu" or a "Tutsi" stamped into his passport: Less than 10 cows = Hutu, more than 10 cows = Tutsi... --178.8.32.50 (talk) 19:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi anon, while the Belgians certainly embellished and maybe substantially altered the Hutu and Tutsi concept, there is also plenty of evidence that it existed earlier than that. At the very least it was there during Germany colonialism as well, and almost certainly during the reign of Rwabugiri in the 19th century. Also, according to the book "Reimagining Rwanda" by Johan Pottier (pp 117 - 119), the story about those owning ten or more cattle labelled Tutsi and others as Hutu is apocryphal. A lot of research has been done on this topic by Catharine Newbury, Gerard Prunier, Mahmood Mamdani and others and they mostly conclude that there isn't enough evidence to really be sure about the true origins of the peoples. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Bad graph

I was wondering why it would be possible that the population declined starting from 1990 already, instead of there being a sharp decline in 1994. Then I realized that the tables have values every 5 years only. So the shown graph fabricates data points for every year, probably by using an interpolation algorithm. If the interpolation were only drawn as a curve on top of the real 5-yearly data points, I wouldn't have posted, but given that the graph explicitely puts yearly point, I'll argue it is plain wrong (and certainly misleading). I've created a replacement here: http://christianjaeger.ch/scratch/rwanda/ . There may be better software for the purpose (I've used LibreOffice), anyway I hope you get the point. Note that the replacement also puts the X axis at a population count of 0, which is recommended to avoid misinterpretation of the scale. I'm not using curve smoothing, as it wouldn't match the decline in 1994 anyway; I find the straight lines indicate the reality in a better way. --Pflanze2 (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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