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Re: "according to the museum, holds the largest collection related to German Romanticism worldwide" - the ref saying so is not the museum but Hessenschau = public television. Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cielquiparle, can you explain "according to the museum", which was added here and moved by me here? TSventon (talk) 20:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I need to look at this more carefully but I think the two different Hessenschau articles may have been confused. The first one presents the claim within the context of a museum director quote. But the second article clearly states it as fact at the bottom of the article. Apologies if I'm the one who mixed that up somehow. Anyway please go ahead and fix. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, I have removed "according to the museum". You will also see that I have expanded the first paragraph of history to explain the Hochstift and Beutler better, I hope that hasn't caused any problems. TSventon (talk) 23:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed From the beginning, the Goethe House was to be incorporated into the site.[1] as the reference says that the Goethe Museum would be incorporated into the Romantik Museum, not the Goethe House. The Goethe Museum was a collection housed in an extension to the Goethe House. TSventon (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But however it was worded, the complete Goethe House (sometimes called Goethe Museum) is part of the Romantik-Museum. There's no entrance to the Goethe House, you have to enter the Romantik-Museum. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt I have been trying to find out what reliable sources say about Goethe House GH and the Romantik-Museum RM. Do you have a source to confirm that the complete Goethe House is part of the Romantik-Museum? Sharing one entrance does not necessarily make GH part of RM: they could be two museums with one entrance, or RM could be part of GH. What I found was:
Hessenschau says that the Romantik-Museum is a neighbour of the Goethe House.[2]
The beginning of the FAZ article by Hierholzer distinguishes between the Goethe House, with 100,000 visitors a year and the less well known Goethe Museum. It says later that the Goethe Museum will be incorporated into the Romantik Museum.[1]
There is another FAZ article by Hierholzer about the Goethe Museum, published on the same day. The museum extension to the Goethe House was opened in 1932 and in 2011 was "an exhibition building in fresh splendour but with an expiry date".[3]TSventon (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was there, took a guided tour, and she said so. One entrance, one ticket, museum and house are a unity. I'd have to look for something written, but - real life and here - am busy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am not arguing that the house and museum are not integrated, just that we need published sources to say at Goethe House that The house is now part of Deutsches Romantik-Museum. The Hochstift website has Opening times for "Frankfurter Goethe-Haus and Deutsches Romantik-Museum" and Address, directions & map showing the house and museum next to each other at https://freies-deutsches-hochstift.de/en/visit/information/. TSventon (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They will probably have to mention the house for a decade or so, to help people recognise where to find the familiar House. Bad enough that if visitors were there before and remember the entrance, they'll find it closed. You can of course follow and use that full (clumsy) name, which means the unity of all this, not two separate things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the DYK review. We need to follow the sources. So far I think they describe Goethe-Haus and Deutsches Romantik-Museum as different places which are next to each other. And share an entrance and tickets. Of course if there is a more convincing source that says the GH is part of the RM, we should say that.
I did a Google news search for Deutsches Romantik-Museum Goethe-Haus and found two articles which mentioned entering the house through the museum Tagesspiegel 19.09.2021 and FAZ 21.07.2022. TSventon (talk) 15:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is it a translation problem? Can we say they are "connected"? Cielquiparle (talk) 16:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cielquiparle, for me it is a sourcing problem. If we can agree what the sources say then it should be possible to agree on a summary. For completeness Gerda Arendt disputes my sentence In 2021 the Hochstift opened the Deutsches Romantik-Museum in a building next to the Goethe House to display its collections of material related to German Romanticism.[4] in Freies Deutsches Hochstift. TSventon (talk) 07:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
References
^ abHierholzer, Michael (27 August 2011). "Romantiker". FAZ (in German). p. 41.
