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Language edits, "people with dyspraxia" instead of "dyspraxics"[edit]
Edits could be made to the terms used throughout the paper describing people with dyspraxia as "dyspraxics". It is a labeling term and labels these people simply by their diagnoses. This could be avoided through describing those with dyspraxia as people with dyspraxia.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Msouza224 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not so clear as this, sorry. There is a debate over whether neurodiversity (which dyspraxia is) can be separated from identity, and therefore whether it is wrong to do so in language. Just as Dyslexics and autistic people often prefer to be described that way, many dyspraxic people/ people with dyspraxia also prefer identity first language. We can follow the sources to some extent but there is perhaps a question as to what we should use in wikivoice. As it is a matter of continued debate, I am not sure there is a clear answer on this, and would welcome the thoughts of other editors. Note that personal preference is not the issue, but what experts in the field are saying about appropriate language. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have some good observations except for one thing: It's always a personal preference, because there's no expert in the subject of whether people prefer to be with dyspraxia or be dyspraxic. It has nothing to do with what any "expert" can say about anything. They don't matter in this context. One of the reasons is that so called experts generally don't understand dyspraxia all that well.
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In the US standard it is called DCD, but that covers only the motor coordination disorder, northing else. However dyspraxia is often used for the entirety of a condition, which has nothing to do with the diagnose itself, as most people diagnosed with dyspraxia has far more issues than just a movement disorder. It's simply because the word dyspraxia is much less specific and therefore easily can include much more than the term DCD does. It's also a good thing it doesn't have the word disorder.
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It's not our fault that the diagnosing is so limited, it's the fault of the people who made DSM 5 and other diagnose criteria. What they call us is one thing, what we call ourselves is another, and since it is us who have the condition, it is also our right to do so.
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Many people are diagnosed very early in childhood, so they only focus on obvious things like movement, because many of the other consequences aren't that easy to determine at that age, and there's usually no followup. After some years of some therapy it is considered a done deal.
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As the article mentions, it has been established that people with dyspraxia have sensory issues as well, to a varying degree, because it is directly connected with the motor dysfunction. Adult people with the condition already know this because it's very obvious and something they experience every day. Since many also have executive function dysfunction similar to ADHD, the word dyspraxia simply is a better word, and it is better to use dyspraxic, which is similar to how autistic is used, instead of person with autism. In that manner of thinking, a person can have DCD, but is dysopraxic. That it is not part of the diagnosing process, doesn't change anything about it.
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In the diagnosing, autism is much, much more well described in all of its aspect, but dyspraxia is not at all. For some reason, there has been very little interest and research, despite it is much more common than autism or ADHD. In the last decade the research has increased, and all the things that are already obvious to people who are dyspraxic, has been "discovered" and described.
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However, not all people diagnosed with the core motor function disorder have all aspects of dyspraxia, at least not to the same degree, There's a big variation. So for them it may be better to think of as a single dysfunction and that they "have" DCD, because it is not so much a part of how they think of themselves in all aspects of who they are.
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Dyslexia and dyspraxia are the same kind of word. So obviously as people with dyslexia are dyslexic, so it must follow that people with dyspraxia are dyspraxic.
There is a case of WP:OVERCITE in the lead with 5 references just for the title itself. As per MOS:CITELEAD, I will be looking at rewriting this, preserving citations but moving them to the main section. The lead also currently does not accurately summarise the main section (the lead says "this disorder may persist in adulthood" but the main is clear that DCD is lifelong). I start this section in talk so that other editors will be aware of why I am moving citations out of the lead. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Despite the lead overcite, I have been through all the references today and impressed with the quality of them and the care that one editor in particular appears to have taken. On 1 May 2012, a medref template was added in this edit [1] and it appears that user:Dolfrog in particular responded to that and introduced many good sources. In April 2021 this edit seems to have updated the date on the medref template [2] without any explanation, but this article is now heavily referenced to WP:RS at a density that meets WP:MEDREF. There were 28 citations when the template was added and 87 now. I am going to remove the template as it has served its purpose (and may now be contributing to the WP:OVERCITE in the lead). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have life long Temporal Auditory Processing Disorder (APD), the brain having problems processing and identifying the gaps between the sounds the ears hear. Especially the gaps between sounds in rapid speech. APD is also the underlying cognitive cause of my developmental dyslexia symptom. I am not really able to edit and produce text, however I am a visual spatial learner, who late in life discovered that I could speed read research papers, which explained my families life long disability and many other related invisible disabilities. So I can add citations and links to research which best explains the main complex Invisible Disabilities, which many so called medical professionals need to read to improve the services they provide, and hopefully improve our education systems, and some senile academics. dolfrog (talk) 09:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A good article needs a good image, right? But what one to use? We can use the WikiCommons[3] but what represents dyspraxia? We can't use images that are not free to use un Creative Commons. I found Daniel Radcliffe, but although he is a famous actor with dyspraxia, I bet many will object to us choosing him as the DCD poster boy. After that there is not much. I can't use any logos, but I hit on shoelaces as being something a lot of dyspraxic people struggle with. I still can't tie my shoelaces like everyone else! So that's why I put that image in. But I am not overly invested in the idea or the image. If someone reverts it that is fine. Better still though, perhaps someone can come up with something better? Preferably a good looking photo that represents DCD? Any ideas? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've been racking my brain for the past month and while I'm not attached to the laces either, I can't think of a better alternative. I suppose the laces are fine for now? I agree that the image shouldn't be of a celebrity. Blue Edits (talk) 17:24, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An editor has challenged the material about using calendars or diaries to keep organised, the edit summary saying it is an off topic tangent. The edit is clearly in good faith; however the material is straight from the cited source and relevant to a section on management, and I am about to revert the change. The issue, however, may be that for some DCD is all about motor control whereas the condition does also affect organisation and such like. In the UK, dyspraxia is a specific learning difference, and I wonder whether the article should make more of that or whether definitions differ enough that this would all be considered off topic. Thoughts? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:05, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are two different sections that cover comorbidity, Associated disorders and secondary consequences under Signs and symptoms and Co-occurring. It's a bit redundant that there's two different sections on the same topic, even if the information they provide is different, and it would be good to merge them into one. JJael (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right. I have removed the co-occurring section, which was just a few sentences, and merged it into the earlier section. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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