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Title of the article[edit]

I propose that the page should be renamed Dhan singh Gurjar.He is generally known by this name rather than dhan singh or dhanna singh. Google results : Dhan Singh Gurjar Dhan singh Gurjar Mkrestin (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gurjeshwar's edits[edit]

@Gurjeshwar: Regarding your this edit (and previous ones), the article is not "writing whole Gurjar caste as cattle stealers by profession". It is presenting the opinion of British officials (and hence the quotes for "cattle stealers by profession"") in the context of the events leading up to the rebellion. The source supports this, and I'm not sure what you mean by "No one can write these words just taking ref of book" -- please see WP:V. Also, you have not provided any rationale for removing the sentence starting with "When two of his chowkidars (guards) apprehended...". Finally, regarding this edit, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies. "Kotwal" is a title, not the subject's given name. utcursch | talk 14:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Block of user Ivanravin edit[edit]

Ivanravin edits were right, so I wasn't edit warring! (I am regular viewer of wikipedia since 10 years. Your one user Gurjeshwar were trying to write something for Dhan Singh article. Your Admin has blocked him. Now you have banned user Ivanravin by writing him sock puupet of so called your old wiki writer Gurjeshwar. Ivanravin has provided all related citation which he has entered the information in this page. Why you are trying to relate ivanravin with your blocked user. Ivanravin has not written all information with providing supporting citation as per wiki guidelines. Please also explain what ivanravin has done wrong so he has blocked by your admin without explanation. Please unblock him immediately and undo his edits text entered by him with citation.) talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.195.250.179 (talk) 04:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence[edit]

This article has had the following stable version of its first sentence:

Dhan Singh Gurjar, also known as Dhunna Singh, was the Indian kotwal (police chief) of Meerut, who participated in the 1857 rebellion and led initial actions against the British East India Company in Meerut.

Recently, an editor has insisted that this sentence should also state that Dhan Singh's participation boiled down to encouraging the looting of offices and homes of East India Company officials (example version). The trouble with this is that it's not supported by the sources cited. Among those, the only relevant passage appears to be in Wagner 2010, which is the source for the long paragraph further down describing the incident in the Bengali merchant's house, where Singh and his forces confronted several Gujars who were plundering it. The strongest claim made about him there is on p. 163: It thus appeared that [Dhan Singh] had informed his fellow Gujars of the outbreak, perhaps even encouraging them to plunder, and now his loyalties were divided. So the encouragement of plunder is definitely a possibility, but it's a hypothesis that we shouldn't be presenting as fact.

What other opinions are out there? To me it seems that a prominent mention of this one episode, even in a form that better represents the source, would place undue emphasis on it (after all, if he also led the subsequent attack on the prison, then that was an act of higher significance). – Uanfala (talk) 23:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As you have acknowledged the references to plunder in the source, the issue now pertains to whether it belongs in the lead or not. Instead of removing sourced content, please reach a consensus on whether it can be moved to the main body or remain in the lead or not. Thank you. RuudVanClerk (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an opinion on whether the possibility that he may have encouraged the looting is worth a mention in this article. But if one is to be included at all, then that should be not in the lede, but in the section that describes the events of that looting. Unless presented with a reason not to, I think I'd rather defer to the decision of the editor who contributed that section not to add such a mention. – Uanfala (talk) 12:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]