Talk:Diana Ross/Archive 1
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I reverted a lot of stuff that sounded like it was from VH-1 Behind the Music or something like that. If the contributor would care to offer a source for the authenticity of the "information" and also assurances that it is not copyrighted, it could be edited back in. Also, please do not delete existing useful information in an article when you edit it, just add on. --Dante Alighieri 10:14 23 May 2003 (UTC)
I just did a major copyedit on the article, after a large addition by an anonymous user. While we appreciate the expansion, NPOV is very important here. This cannot read as a Diana Ross resume or press release; it had to be neutral in its language and opinion. --b. Touch 05:31, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"Hit singles" --> "Singles"
Is it possible to get a full list of Diana Ross solo singles? --b. Touch 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC
Contradiction: Ross & Carey
Well, I think it's still Mariah Carey who had the most of number #1 singles in the fact that she wrote all of her number one singles (except the Jackson 5's Ill Be There) Diana Ross is also a very succesfull single but remember that most of her number one singles is when she still with The Supremes... and that's why Mariah Carey win the combat... she was, is, and still always be a solo singer..
Comment: It was Diana Ross and the Supremes.... so the fact that she gained this many hits while being with a group, should be moot. Diana Ross and the Supremes was what they had been called all along since it was Diana's voice that gave the "group" their first hit and she did 99% of the lead singing from "Where Did Our Love Go" until her departure from the group seven years later. And let's face it, that wasn't a group. It was Diana Ross and the "Back-UP" Singers.
This article and the Mariah Carrey article both seem to claim that their respective artists have the most #1 singles for a female — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.167.145.20 (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The argument is settled - they both have scored eighteen number ones in total, Diana as part of The Supremes as well as as a solo artist, and Mariah has had 18 with Touch My Body being her 18th number one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.99.79 (talk) 10:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Ross & Carey, Continued
If you read this insertion, what I inserted within the Diana Ross article is within the Public Domain. I am not a crazy fan, or do I suscribe to revisionalism! What is being written about Carey is coming from a fan! i am not a Diana Ross fan - in any manner or form - but, I give credit where it is due! And her 18 #1 Billboard records are noted and acknowledged by Billboard - itself! August, 1964 - October 1981. Take the time to read the facts!
It is noted in the public domain for those who care to look, that diana Ross has 18 Billboard #1 singles. Carey has 17 on Billboard. It is also necessary to bring up the fact that Carey's music is heavily discounted in the record stores. This has been done to enable Carey to eventually match and surpass Ross' 18 #1s.
What I have written about her discounted CD prices is also in the public domain which is how I learned of it, and then, what I have wtinessed in Tower Records and Target, to give two primary examples: The Diana Ross and The Supremes #1s - in both stores were listed at 11.99, while Carey's latest CD was listed 9.99; both CDs were not on sale...this is one of the major reasons she continues to sell. This fact has not gone unnoticed within and outside the music industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.203 (talk) 23:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Correct, but 12 of Ross's 18 #1s came with The Supremes. With that in mind, would Diana still hold the title, as Mariah is a solo artist? PennyGWoods 17:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
It is true that Carey has had more #1 singles; however, her music carries no weight, or respect within the music industry, or with the critics. This is why her music is heavily discounted in the stores. Ross' music is history: social mobility; financial mobility; political freedom, and the ascent of negroes into the mainsteam. This is Ross' contributions. This is why her music carries weight and importance. her music is everywhere: in Europe, Asia, particularly in japan, where she remains the biggest foreign femal singer; Scandinavia; South America; Canada; and, now, China! She is universal! She was asked to appear in Russia to sing, and if rumours are correct, will sing in China in the near future? Ross' voice is the voice of joy, anticipation, hope and freedom, which is why gays have embraced her music from the onset. Play Diana anywhere and you will see people listen: they may not particularly like it, but they will acknowledge it. that, my friend, is why Carey can have 100 #1s: they will not matter. Wait until her CD "Blue" is released; once again, all will take notice. Listen to her version of "What A Diff'rnce A Day Makes." Listen to the voice!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.73 (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
According to the Billboards and Guiness World Records Diana Ross is credited as having 18 # 1 singles and Mariah Carey is credited as having 17, however according to the same sources Diana Ross scored 12 of her number one hits with the supremes which defaults her from the category of the most #1 singles for a solo act. Meaning that as a solo artist Dianna Ross had only 6 # one singles and as a solo artist Mariah has only 17. Since the twelve do not belong soley to Diana the cannot be credited as her's and her's alone. I hope that clears this up. PhoenixPrince 16:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
If I might be allowed to add the following information? If one takes into an account that Ross has had other records go to number one outside of the United States, Ross has superseeded the Billboard number 1s. People loved Diana Ross for her music, they thought that she was the the best singer back when she was in The Surpremes.
She was also dating Michael Jackson The King of Pop, they were a lovely couple untill Michael wrot that song about her Dirty Diana. They also had a son together named Blanket
In 1971, she went to number one with "I'm Still Waiting" for 4 weeks. In 1986, she went to number one in England with "Chain Reaction" for 3-4 weeks. She went to number one in the United States in 1986? with "We Are The World." In 1988?, she went to number one in Japan with "If We Hold On Together" for 12 weeks. Therefore, on an absolute count, she has had 21 number ones, plus sang on another number one record as one of many.
If a singer's greatness seems to be based on the absolute number of number ones, Ross stands as the most successful...particularly, if you take into account the time frame. Carey has had only 17 Billboard Number Ones not 18 as has Ross. This lie is perpetuated even on here. What I just wrote is in the Public Domain and should be noted on this site as part of her Bio. EDJR22:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- There is no point in going further with this discussion. Unfortunately Mariah Carey has apparently sold a lot of records to surpass other signers, and had more number ones (in the US tho!), but by all means it does not prove her mark in the music history. Diana Ross is a legend for many reasons, Mariah Carey has just sold more. If you were to conduct a poll with people from all ages and corners of the world, it would be very clear who's more popular.
Just make no mention of Carey on Diana's article, there should not be any anyway...Dollvalley 14:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Birth Name
If the name on her birth certificate is in fact, "Diana", shouldn't that be listed instead of "Diane"?
- The article explains that "Diana" appearing on her birth sertificate was a clerical error. --FuriousFreddy 14:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Where has this gone? There is no reference on that page that she is really Diane. Can this informmation be reinstated? --WestwoodMatt (talk) 11:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Mahogany
There's some errors in the Mahogany section... whoever was editing that part, it looks like you left out some words or something. Rico
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Major work needed
I really think an artist of this stature merits a better Wikipedia page. So many inaccuracies and plain bad writing ("garnered" in three consecutive sentences ??.) Just one example... Diana did not resume her singing career at the end of the 70s, there were albums and singles released in 1977 and 1978, just because they didn't do well doesn't mean they get airbrushed out here. Very poor article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Thompson (talk • contribs) 01:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The real issue here is that too many who profess to know info do not and they have poor grammatical skills. This is a problem with almost all Bios on Wikipedia as their ribald fans post melodrama and dimwitted emotions instead of facts. Ross is particularly subject to these fans who drag her down with the critics and soil her perception within the General Public.
I stated that her brother, Frank and his wife, were murdered in Detroit in or around 1995, and someone deleted it. They were found dead in a basement on top or near a matress. This was stated in the news, newspapers and on TV, and therefore, is in the "Public Domain."
Children
The section on Ross's personal life which discusses her children is confusing. I don't know enough about her biography to fix it, but it's hard to tell who the fathers of her children are the way it is currently worded and punctuated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.71.244 (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are there only five Ross children mentioned under the section of "Personal Life"?
Anti-semitism?
Someone linked Diana Ross's first husband's name (Silberstein) to the Zionism page - is there any proper justification for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.154.76 (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Anti-Semitism? Lets call everything negative in regards to Judaism Anti-Semitism. --94.193.135.142 (talk) 17:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Intro Section
I deleted "widely known as the Queen of Motown." If you do a Google search for "Queen of Motown," you'll find that the first hits are for Mary Wells. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.99.81 (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
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Arthur "T-Boy" Ross
Ross's brother, Fred, and his wife, were found murdered in a basement in Detroit, in the 1990s. Their murder was made public and was noted in all the national papers. I submitted info on this and please note: THEIR DEATH WAS NOTED WITHIN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN SO IT IS LEGAL TO INCLUDE IT HERE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.131 (talk) 17:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. (His name was Arthur). It was a major event in Ross's life; he was a Motown songwriter; she recorded his song on her most recent album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.166.114 (talk) 16:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Lyric Soprano?
Come on, I don't think so. Read the Wikipedia entry for lyric soprano. Does that sound like Ross? Just because some guy that wrote a book on rock and roll called her one, it doesn't mean she is! She's been called lots of things, by many authors, that are not necessarily true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.145.3.20 (talk) 19:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Agree, I think the classical system of voice types is irrelevant to pop singing styles Bitbut (talk) 03:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Number One Singles
Diana Ross has had 23 separate singles as lead singer hit the number one spot.
Where Did Our Love Go #1 USA, Baby Love #1 USA/UK, Come See About Me #1 USA, Stop! In The Name Of Love #1 USA, Back In My Arms Again #1 USA, I Hear a Symphony #1 USA, You Can't Hurry Love #1 USA, You Keep Me Hangin' On #1 USA, Love Is Here and Now You're Gone #1 USA, The Happening #1 USA, Love Child #1 USA, Someday We'll Be Together #1 USA, Ain't No Mountain High Enough #1 USA, I'm Still Waiting #1 UK, Touch Me in the Morning #1 USA, Theme From Mahogany (Do You Know Where You're Going To) #1 USA, Love Hangover #1 USA, A Brand New Day (with Michael Jackson, Nipsey Russell and Ted Ross) #1 Belgium/The Netherlands, Upside Down #1 USA, Endless Love (with Lionel Richie) #1 USA, Chain Reaction #1 UK, If We Hold On Together #1 Japan, When You Tell Me That You Love Me (with Westlife) #1 Ireland,
These are all official number one singles in their respective countries so please give credit where credit is due and show that Diana Ross has at least featured lead vocals on no less than 23 separate number one singles world wide.
24 if you count her as a featured vocalist on the We Are The World single. Rosslad (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
The Wiz ...
" The Wiz " is NOT a remake of the 1939 classic " The Wizard Of Oz " . It's an African American version of the novel itself and the two movies shouldn't be linked or connected in anyway !
Rayansb (talk) 16:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
POV Check Tag
I have added a tag to this article, since it seems to be an almost consistently positive view of Ross. The Return to Love Tour section detailing the dispute between Ross and Wilson particularly makes me suspect the article's neutrality. Bitbut (talk) 03:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Agreed - the Return to Love tour section has an excessive amount of detail, is clearly biased, and is poorly written. I hate to see the word "reportedly" in a Wikipedia article if the reporting is not referenced! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.145.3.21 (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Mary Wilson said on the Donny and Marie Show that the promoters accepted her final offer ($3 million each for her and Birdsong) at the last possible minute but that it needed to be approved by Ross (which it wasn't) and that's where it fell apart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.179.143 (talk) 02:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Birth name
Diana Ernestine Earle Ross happens to be the birth name of Diana as shown on her birth certificate. Diane, with an e, was what she went by during her childhood. Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
nuetrality of the following passage is extremely questionable
The Supremes' success only intensified the jealousies felt by many other Motown acts who saw the group's success as the result of favoritism of Ross by Gordy, when, in fact, Gordy simply supported the hardest-working performers on his label. Ross was reputed to be Artist Development's best student. She stayed later in the studio than others to learn her performance craft, sacrificing personal time that others on the label enjoyed. Ross was, other than, perhaps, Marvin Gaye, the only Motown artist happy to perform Broadway standards and other "middle of the road" material, while many of the other artists complained, fearing they'd be seen as "selling out" or "less black" for performing such material.
Florence Ballard, in particular, grew frustrated by Ross' continued importance within the group. In anger, Ballard began missing interviews, rehearsals, recordings and performances(or appearing inebriated onstage), drinking excessively & rapidly gaining weight, costing thousands of dollars for alterations of their expensive stage wardrobes. Reportedly, Ballard physically assaulted Ross following a rehearsal of their performance of "The Sound Of Music"'s "My Favorite Things", which they'd recorded on their then-recently released Christmas album, after Ross allegedly, and from all accounts, accidentally, crushed one of Ballard's heavy chandelier earrings with her shoe. Ross' earrings were also known to fall off, most famously during the group's performance of "You Can't Hurry Love" on the Ed Sullivan show. Such unstable behavior forced Gordy to consider replacing Ballard, which he did in mid-1967, following a Las Vegas performance in which Ballard, allegedly, exposed her belly as far as she could from underneath her tuxedo costume during the group's stage banter, an act which enraged Gordy, who saw this behavior as "the final straw" (Ballard had been allowed to return to the group on a trial basis, following earlier disruptions.).
Following Florence Ballard's departure from the group in July 1967, Gordy chose Cindy Birdsong, a member of Patti LaBelle and the Bluebelles, as her replacement. Shortly thereafter, he changed the group's name to Diana Ross & the Supremes to charge higher performance fees from venues, which pay more for a lead act & a group, versus just a group. Other Motown acts' names were changed for similar reasons, including Smokey Robinson & The Miracles (formerly The Miracles) and Martha Reeves & The Vandellas (formerly The Vels, Martha and the Vandellas). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyzics (talk • contribs) 02:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Salesfigure 100 million/150 million
I reckon there is some sort of edit warring going on between me and User:Bokiluis. He/she keeps changing the salesfigure of 100 million (in the lead in/ at the top, which is provided with a source) into 150 million, not providing any source. I and User:David Able are trying to reason with him/her, trying to get him/her involved in a discussion and a constructive attitude, for he has a tendency to adapt many Diana Ross-related articles into peacock/POV/unsourced articles. Until now that hasn't been that succesful, so any other person wanting to try to talk to Bokiluis is more than welcome.
If you think, however, that I made a mistake, please be so kind, and let me know. Best regards, Ρόμπστερ 1983 ☞Life's short, talk fast ☜ 10:56, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
- PS Does anyone know if I, or someone else, should report this? Ρόμπστερ 1983 ☞Life's short, talk fast ☜ 11:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Her last name Ross?
Isn't her legal last name the same one she had when she was last married? Which is Næss? 83.108.196.101 (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
in popular culture
This is all trivia at best , at worst as it is now, its uncited trivia so I removed it in this diff] - discussion here may assert it has a value and can be cited. Off2riorob (talk) 22:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
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diana
As per WP:MOS, can anyone give me a reason why her album diana (album) is displayed as lower case?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- No need, page has been moved. Thankyou.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Claudine
Just wondering why this movie has not been included...????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alethabd (talk • contribs) 15:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Lead image
There's a new headshot of Ross available, which would work better as the lead photo. Especially since it was taken during her prime years. Thoughts? --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Uk Caution
Diana Ross was "cautioned" by the police in the UK in 1999 for assault. She was arrested but not charged. A caution is an admission of an offence [1] [2]
References
Music genre
Does Diana Ross actually belongs to the vaporwave genre or is it just a meme? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.46.210.207 (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
- Hmmm. I assume that someone was messing around - no edit summary, no explanation of why that's more valid than jazz, which it replaced. I'm sure we will hear about it again if it is a serious proposal for change. For the time being I have reverted it. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Official website defunct?
i removed this from the article's External links:
If you open that link, it says "This Page Is Under Construction - Coming Soon!" but it looks much more like a zillion other domain parking and cybersquatting pages i've seen around the web.
If i should not have made this edit, please let me know why here.
71.121.143.103 (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Please add: Diana Ross scored #1 hit on Billboard's Top Dance Music Chart for "The Boss 2019" on April 13, 2019. [1] TheReturnofStephan1 (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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Please add to the section regarding Miss Ross' 75th birthday party that after leaving the Warwick, she gave and was celebrated at a star-studded concert/party at The Hollywood Palladium, all of her children attended(Rhonda Ross-Kendrick, Evan Ross and his wife, Ashlee Simpson-Ross performed) and that Beyonce sang "Happy Birthday" to her, following Stevie Wonder's rendition of his classic Martin Luther King, Jr. single, "Happy Birthday": https://people.com/music/diana-ross-75th-birthday-party-everything-to-know/ TheReturnofStephan1 (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Not done: I've removed that entire section. It's unnecessary and unencyclopedic. NiciVampireHeart 20:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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Please add that Diana Ross was the surprise guest performer at Dior's 2019 Cruise collection in Marrakech, Morroco, on April 30, 2019. [1] TheReturnofStephan1 (talk) 18:49, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
References
Diana Ross (1944 - 2019)
https:// necropedia.org/obituary/Diana_Ross --84.92.88.76 (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2019 (UTC)