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GA Review[edit]

Passed. grungaloo (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Diem Saunders/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grungaloo (talk · contribs) 02:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bridget, I'll be taking this GAN on. I've done a quick read-through and the content and sources look good, so I imagine this will mostly be a review for readability. I'll try to have a complete review for you in the next few days. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions in the meantime!

grungaloo (talk) 02:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Grungaloo, thank you for taking this review up! Really appreciate your time. Bridget (talk) 03:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Bridget - I've finished my initial review. Overall I think it's a strong article. Issues are mostly style/prose related, with one or two citations that might need clarifying or fixing. My suggestions are below - let me know if you disagree with any of them or if you have any questions about what I've written! grungaloo (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grungaloo, thank you so much! I think I've addressed most of your concerns but I also have some questions. Best, Bridget (talk) 02:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bridget, thanks for making the corrections and clarifications! I think you've done an excellent job on this article and given a really good treatment of the subject. All the GAN criteria have been met and I'm happy to be able to promote this article. Congratulations, and thanks again for all your work! grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Status - Passed

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

These are just my suggestions so don't feel as thought you need to listen to them!

General comments[edit]

YUse of MMIW vs MMIWG - both are used throughout the article, suggest picking one for consistency. The WP article uses MMIW, but I think MMIWG is common enough in Canadian press that it could reasonably be used.
- Agreed! Going to try generally using MMIWG. I'm going to keep the description of Loretta Saunders's thesis as MMIW to match the two cited sources. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
YRepeated Wikilinks - MMIW is wikilinked a few times, Amnesty International too.
- Reduced those links. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
YRepeated citations - There's a few passages where the same citation is used in consecutive sentences, like "Early life", [fn 2] is cited several times in a row. Those only need to be cited at the end of the relevant passage rather than for each line.
- Done. Originally did this to make writing the article easier. Bridget (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

Y"and activist in the Canadian province" - "from the Canadian province"
Y"Canadian province of Newfound and Labrador" - Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada
YSuggest dropping wikilink to "Canadian province" since the province itself it wikilinked.
- Did the three of the above. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"who was an advocate for..." - "who advocated for..." They're already established as an activist so no need to restate they're an advocate, just who they advocate for.
- Changed it to that wording. Not sure why I've cycled back and forth between these wordings. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"public concern into the epidemic of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls in the country" - Change "the country" to Canada.
Y"The family testified at hearings for the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women three years later." - Add the specific year (2017?).
Y"concerns of the environmental impact of a planned hydroelectric power project in Labrador's Muskrat Falls" - concerns about the environmental impactsof a planned hydroelectric power project at Labrador's Muskrat Falls.
- Did the three of the above. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"between the provincial government and leaders in Labrador's Indigenous community and the establishment of an expert advisory committee" - Suggest rewriting to indicate the advisory committee was an outcome of the deal. Sounds like the agreement was reached between the province, Indigenous groups, and the advisory committee.
- I just swapped the entries. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"Saunders accepted..." - "Saunders was awarded..."
- I used "received" to avoid repetition. Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Suggest adding that they passed from liver failure to round out the lead.~~
- I couldn't find liver failure in news coverage of their death. Is there anything else that you think I should add? Bridget (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I was wrong here, originally I thought their death was more closely related to their activism regarding transplant. I reread the sources and it's like you say it's not specified what they died from. I think the lead is good without mentioning their death. grungaloo (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Early life[edit]

Y1991 or 1992 - Neither source references their birth year, is there another source for this?
- Both sources mention their age. I just used {{birth based on age as of date}}. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"at a fish producers cooperative" - fish producer's
- What about fish producers' cooperative? Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, changed it to producer's. Bridget (talk) 04:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"According to Maclean's magazine" - not needed because the passage is cited, unless there's not consensus and you're explicitly saying which source takes which stance
- I'm just attributing the parents' ancestry claims to the magazine that reported it. Not sure if it's an appropriate approach per WP:NATIVE-IDENTITY. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think this works then. Since mainstream outlets aren't always reliable I think it's a good call to specify the attribution.grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"An area of the Labrador region" - can say "an area in Labrador", not necessary to specify Labrador is a region.
- Done. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"The children worked together... tidying after meals, often preparing large meals" - having meals twice feels odd, maybe reword for better flow
- I've reworded the sentence. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"The Saunders family resides in..." - change this to past tense ("in 2019 the family resided in...", or "continued to reside in") unless there is a source showing they still live there
- I changed it to past tense, but kept the "as of 2019". Does that still read oddly? Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think it sounds good that way. grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"Saunders decided to move to Halifax, Nova Scotia, in 2010..." - "In 2010, Saunders decided to..." (just a suggestion)
- That's better. And now there's more variety. Bridget (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Another thought (not necessary), could drop "decided" also, since they did actually move. grungaloo (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Activism[edit]

2014-2015[edit]

Y"After the family lost touch with Loretta..." - Specify the "Saunders" family for clarity, might need to reword since Diem is mentioned in the same sentence. Consider "After losing touch with Loretta on Valentine's day, Saunders led..."
- Done - that works better. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"found on the Trans-Canada Highway in Moncton" - the source says she was found in Salisbury, New Brunswick.
- Weird. Not sure why I wrote that. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"had provided support to them at the time Loretta's trial had started" - a bit unclear what's being said. Emotional support, financial support?
- Right. I just rewrote that Johnston helped Saunders with handling their grief when Loretta's trial started, since the source doesn't specify. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"helped organize Atlantic Canada screenings" - "screenings in Atlantic Canada"
Y"who were murdered or disappeared" - "who were murdered or who disappeared"
- Did both above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~"British Colombia Highway 16 known as the Highway of Tears" - comma needed between "Highway 16" and "known"~~
- I'm not sure. We are talking about the specific stretch of the highway that has gained that reputation. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're correct - I misread the sentence. I thought it was referring to the entire highway. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"the two really pushed to hold..." - Specify who "the two" are (them and Smiley?)
- Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2016-2017[edit]

Y"The hunger strikes ran for nearly two weeks" - "The hunger strike", not pluralized.
- Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"Until a deal made by Newfoundland and Labrador premier..." - Suggest splitting this sentence. It's not clear that the establishment of the advisory committee was the outcome of the deal.
- I wasn't trying to say intentionally, but I guess now I can see that the source implies that it was an outcome. I've changed it and modified the mention of the event in the lead. Bridget (talk)
Y"Nunatsiavut, in Labrador" - your call, but I don't think you need "in Labrador" since that's been said earlier in the article. Could go either way though.
Y"Speaking with APTN News" - can drop this since APTN is the source for the satement.
- Did both above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"Saunders praised the decision by the government" - This sentence could probably be split for better flow. I would suggest splitting at "money originally designated for a proposal..."
Y"that failed to be processed by the provincial government the previous month" - Unsure what this means. How does this affect the $10 million that was offered? Was it only available because of this failure? Also what does it mean "failed to be processed"? Could consider dropping this, I don't think it's necessary.
- I've rewritten the sentence considering the points above: Saunders praised the decision by the government of Nunatsiavut to decline $10 million offered by the provincial government and Nalcor Energy, the provincial energy corporation operating the Muskrat Falls reservoir, in 2019 as compensation for the provincial government's failure to have surrounding wetlands capped.
Y"and American singer Alicia Keys for her social activism" - not sure this is needed as it's not really relevant to the article.
- Trimmed for her social activism since it's not too relevant, but I think Keys should be mentioned as she was prominent in coverage of the award (being a celebrity). Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"held in the Membertou First Nation, N.S., in October of that year." - Nova Scotia should be spelled out, N.S. might not be easily understandable to non-Canadians
- Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"including touching Saunders's leg" - change to Saunders' so it's consistent with previous uses of the possessive
- The article has been pretty consistent using Saunders's, except for two instances of Saunders' that have now been changed. I see it varies between sources - I just saw this CBC article and started what they used. Should I should swap to Saunders'? Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Both are grammatically correct, so really as long as it's consistent. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~" at the University of Western Ontario in November" - suggest specifying year~~
- Not sure if that year works? Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - On another read-through I think it works as is, no change needed. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"The subject of Saunders's first written piece" - change to Saunders'
- See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2017-2021[edit]

Y"despite the "huge personal milestones" they reached in sobriety." - "they had reached in sobriety.
- Done, thanks. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"called for Saunders's placement onto the waitlist." - Saunders'
- See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"For a couple days starting later that month" - Sounds a bit odd. Suggest rewording to "Later that month, Saunders was treated for..."
- Agreed. Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"According to SaltWire Network..." - This sentence feels a bit like a non-sequitur. Maybe try working into the preceding or following paragraph.
- Moved into previous paragraph. Not where else to move it or incorporate it into. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think my original assessment was off. I like the way it looks now, but it also worked fine the previous way. I'll leave it to you if you want to change it back or leave it. grungaloo (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

Y"they announced on social media: " - Swap colon for a comma.
- Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"According to Saunders's mother" - Saunders'
- See above. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Y"developed after Loretta's murder and drank alcohol..." - suggest a comma between "murder" and "and".
- Done. Bridget (talk) 02:34, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.