Talk:Discrimination against ethnic minorities in Estonia

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 June 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was merge to Human rights in Estonia.

Structure[edit]

I propose to slightly change the structure of the article:

There are several basic human rights set out by the Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights. According to the sources (e.g. those given in the lead), they are institutionally limited for ethnic minorities in Estonia.

We may well split the article not by the POVs and sources, but according to the rights violated. E.g. right to education (not in Russian), to representation (not if you are a non-citizen resident), to work (speak Russian - earn less), etc. There is plenty of data, both statistical and textual, on each of these violations. We surely need to add tables and images to the article. FeelSunny (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good suggestion. I agree that the current structure is not good. Offliner (talk) 16:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I want to see the wage charts and education charts cross-referenced. According to these charts, Russians are more educated and yet earn less then Estonians. Another interesting point to do is to make a section about Russian emigration from Estonia. And getting both sides of the story on the statue removal actions would be interesting to do as well. HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let us continue working then:) FeelSunny (talk) 07:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Is this article salvageable - and what recommendations for saving it would there be?[edit]

There have been long-standing problems with discrimination concerning non-citizens and minorities of the post-Soviet Republic of Estonia. How might one proceed towards improving this article on the subject of discrimination in Estonia? (A shorter version of this article was nominated for deletion within just over an hour of being put up.) This article is still a work in progress. Opinions from Wikipedians on "the outside" appreciated. PasswordUsername (talk) 06:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It needs a new title, first of all. Idiomatic English usage is "Discrimination against ethnic minorities..." IceCreamEmpress (talk) 00:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, of course – but since it's up for deletion, one might want to take a look at the content first. PasswordUsername (talk) 02:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This needs Estonian sources[edit]

In such an Estonian-related subject, Estonian sources will certainly be needed. As you recall, Estonia has an enviable fourth place in the Press Freedom Index, so I trust you will have no trouble finding reliable sources published in Estonia about the things that go on in Estonia. Good luck! Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 20:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In spirit of helping out, I'm contributing the first link. Alas, it is just a letter to the editor, so not exactly RS, but I have only been googling for about an hour. In [1], an anonymous reader complains about language-based discrimination in Kohtla-Järve, a town with sizable Russophone population. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 20:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contribution. It would be a great thing if you could add this into the article. PasswordUsername (talk) 02:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can't. Letter to editor, not RS. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 14:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any particular incidents?[edit]

It would be very helpful to illustrate this nice and round tale with some incidents. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 14:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]