Talk:Donald Berwick

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The whole paragraph on IHI appears to be lifted directly from their website (ihi.org) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.159.91.45 (talk) 16:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

This biography has to comply with WP:NPOV. I want to know what the critics say about him, even if they're wrong. If there are hearings and Berwick gets attacked, I want to know in advance what the attacks are going to be so I can prepare for them.

I'm well aware that the WSJ article quoted in the Weekly Standard got NICE completely wrong. You can attribute it more accurately, but you can't just delete it. You can also add a better explanation of Berwick's ideas on the subject (and it's probably best that you do it here in Talk first).

It's not as if his enemies don't read the Weekly Standard and the WSJ editorial page and if you keep it out of Wikipedia nobody will know about it.

You can also edit the NICE entry. --Nbauman (talk) 01:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sounds like a perfect communist to me . I'm sure he'll fit right in with the rest at the White house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.209.90 (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who are "they"? "They" do seem to talk alot! I question this article's bias since "they" are not identified as the ones Berwick is vetted to avoid: the Democrats who would also have questioned him during the vetting process! He should "fit right in" with this Administration! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.149.158.158 (talk) 17:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"They" are Berwick's conservative critics, which the paragraph begins with. They are identified in the citations at the end of the paragraph. --Nbauman (talk) 12:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The term "marxist" is used to describe a statement that has little to do with Marxism. Not everyone who seeks to redistribute goods is a marxist. This adjective should be removed. [----murfmensch}

Out of context quote[edit]

There is a quote from Donald Berwick in the article "The decision is not whether or not we will ration care - the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

This quote is taken out of context. The source document from which the quote was taken was a lengthy discussion about how the government could integrate new drugs and/or medical treatments into government health insurance programs without bankrupting the existing system. Berwick is essentially arguing for a cost/benefit analysis to be applied to incremental increases in treatments. The quote is applied in such a manner as to suggest that Berwick is advocating the rationing of existing health care treatment plans, which is NOT what he is advocating.

Why isn't this included in Dr Berwick's quotes? Is someone on WP running interference for him and, by extension, the socialist healthcare system he wants to bring to the US? “I am romantic about the NHS; I love it. All I need to do to rediscover the romance is to look at health care in my own country.” www.donberwick.com50.10.99.70 (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The immediate context of the quote makes it clear that he is making a broader point from the example of new drugs and treatments. The sentence before the quote reads "We make these decisions all the time" The sentence after the quote reads "And right now we are doing it blindly"

Both suggest that he is referring to current practice, not some kind of specialist and distinct future.

Jpmaytum (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Full Quote[edit]

For the benefit of others, this is the full quote (from an article about Comparative Effectiveness Research)

Q:Critics of CER have said that it will lead to the rationing of healthcare.

A: We can make a sensible social decision and say, "Well, at this point, to have access to a particular additional benefit [new drug or medical intervention] is so expensive that our taxpayers have better use for those funds." We make those decisions all the time. The decision is not whether or not we will ration care - the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly. Jpmaytum (talk) 12:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC) Jpmaytum (talk) 12:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JAMA viewpoint[edit]

Here's an article by Berwick in which he describes his experiences with the political attacks.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1769898 Viewpoint | November 13, 2013 The Toxic Politics of Health Care Donald M. Berwick JAMA. 2013;310(18):1921-1922. doi:10.1001/jama.2013.281965. --Nbauman (talk) 23:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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