Talk:Dun (fortification)

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2006 comments[edit]

Without the accent over the u, dun is also a color. The Compact Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "of a dull greyish-brown colour." Shakespeare used it in his Sonnet 130: "If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun."

Dun can also mean a valley in the himalayan foothills, such as Dehra Dun. Apparently the word has Scottish origins and was applied to Indian geography by soldiers of Scottish origin.

Slang Meaning[edit]

removed following section as not relevant and WP:NOT slang dictionary:

Dun is a slang word used in the hip hop community. Example, Whatup Dun how you living? Dun is a new word that simply means son or dude. It was coined by mobb deep and is growing in popularity. Rumor states that the word came from a child that was mentally challenged that couldn't pronounce "son" so he mistakingly said "dun" and the word caught on. It also is popular in Queensboro for a lot of words are replaced with D. Some call it the dun language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Waverley (talk • contribs) 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Dunum[edit]

I'm doing some disambiguation work and creating a dab page at Dunum. The page now at Dunum, Lower Saxony, previously at the base name, had a hatnote which included: "For the type of Celtic fort, see dun.", but I can't see any mention of the word on this page to justify that link, or an entry on the new dab page. I'm not including it in the new dab page, but if it should be there, please add something to this article to mention "dunum" and then add it to the dab page. PamD 08:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ptolemy[edit]

"The Proto-Celtic form is *Dūno-, yielding Gaulish δου̃νον"

1) the reference to "Ptolemy" after that last one is most probably false, the true one being (again, probably) Ps.-Plutarch. De fluviis 6.4.10

2) "Gaulish δου̃νον" (and the example forms quoted below): the only thing "Gaulish" in this form is the root "duno-", but we do not know the ending: Greek authors customarily added Greek endings to foreign words, just like Roman authors added Latin endings to foreign words. As a consequence, e.g. Lyon is recorded as "Λούγδουνον" in Greek sources, and as "Lugdunum" in Latin sources, and neither form records the original "Gaulish" ending. So I would not be so quick in proclaiming -δου̃νον Gaulish, as it is probably a Gaulish as the corresponding Latin form on -dunum.

3) I also do not quite get why to write it in Greek letters. Greek authors obviously write it using the Greek alphabet, because they are Greeks...

4) "London" is called "Londinium" or "Londunium" in Latin, so given that there is a byform "din" to the "dun", it seems pretty obvious that the root in question is also there. -87.205.198.18 (talk) 21:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 January 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 13:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dun → Dun (fortification)
Dun (disambiguation) → Dun

– Not the primary topic for this word. Gets beat by the color on pageviews and Google Scholar. Dab page should probably highlight at the top the three natural language definitions: fort, color, and debt collection. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. No clear primary topic for this title. The safest bet is to have a disambiguation page at the basename. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paintspot (talk • contribs) 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Comment It's interesting that neither the colour nor the debt-collection is visible on the current disambiguation page directly: under biology there's Dun gene, and under "See also" there's a link to the dab page Dunning. I'm not sure how important the page views on those topics are for this discussion. But, after looking at WikiNav links, perhaps:...Support move, emphasising the colour/gene and the fortification at the top of the page (and perhaps the debt-collection, though verbs aren't often sought). PamD 09:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.