Talk:Dynasty of Hasan Pasha

This article was nominated for deletion on 22 December 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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No Longer[edit]

Deletes this article, I have no desire to fight, long against this man who knows everything better. can be seen to be racist problem, well, there are racists suffer for other peoples

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Deletes this article, I have no desire to fight, long against this man who knows everything better. can be seen to be racist problem, well, there are racists suffer for other peoples

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

If you're serious, add a {{db-g7}} to the top of the article. If you're just whining because I removed the blatant unsourced WP:OR that you've done nothing to fix in the last six months, then quit it. You're not a child, so don't act like one. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 03:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not argue anymore, and if you do everything better points, then so be it. the wiser yields.

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

What is wrong with that? I wrote only the facts about the reign. why do you delete everything completely? want to have if you do not already have the offspring, then at least the government and the running time of historical events.

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Did you provide any sources? Any? At all? You didn't even provide unreliable sources, let alone reliable ones. If you provide reliable sources, then I'll leave the sourced content alone. Wikipedia does not take your word on these things; you need to provide reliable sources, or the information fails the verifiability guidelines. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 21:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(offtopic) Please stop copying the signature from your earlier post like that. Type ~~~~ at the end of your messages to insert a properly timestamped signature. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 21:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

then you have to delete all, who tells you that there was ever a hassan? this is soooo childish deletes all. is better

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 16:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Ahmed and Umar[edit]

This isn't the same Ahmed and Umar from the Mamluk Dynasty,please removed the articel.

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 10 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Delete for better sleep at night[edit]

Oh, you poor men, if you can sleep better at night .... then delete my article. I know that there are descendants, I have researched long afterwards, because I want to write a book. And on my user page, readers can read the true story. Your Zibi ........ the oh-so-stupid girl.

Zibi Fer ✍ —Preceding undated comment added 05:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

[edit]

This seems to be related to the article Hasan Pasha and Mamluk dynasty of Iraq

76.66.197.30 (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted already?[edit]

This page was already deleted recently (it's on my watchlist, and I haven't logged in since this version was created, so clearly it was deleted and recreated by the same user). No improvements have been made (it remains completely unsourced). I believe it qualifies for the speedy deletion criteria on that basis. -ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 17:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted ostensibly as a courtesy under CSD G7, on the basis of having been blanked by its author. Now that the article has been recreated, I think it's clear that the author didn't want it deleted, so the original deletion was the result of an accident and shouldn't factor into our thinking. Even if the original speedy was justified at the time, G4 doesn't apply to pages that are speedied anyway. Melchoir (talk) 20:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

exactly what's wrong with this article? what problem you have with this family? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zibi Fer (talk • contribs) 21:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions/Information found[edit]

Differing information is found, in Iraq: people, history, politics, by Gareth Stansfield, p.211, Sulayman Abu Laylah, was the first of the Mamluk Pashas, and A companion to the history of the Middle East, by Youssef M. Choueiri, p.234, states, "...the Mamluks monopolized the governorship of Baghdad, and occasionally Basra, from 1747 to 1831. Nine Mamluk governors ruled Baghdad ruing this period.". Yet, The Mamluks in Egyptian and Syrian politics and society, by Winter and Levanoni, p.401, states that Hasan and his son Ahmed founded the Mamluk dynasty in Iraq.

My suggestions,

1) title change for this article, since Hasan Pasha is rather common, perhaps Mamluk Dynasty of Iraq or Mamluk Dynasty of Baghdad[1]?
2) a massive rewrite using sources and not opinion
3) removal of List of candidates since 1831, unless a reliable 3rd party source can be supplied to support these assertions

Thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]