Talk:e5 Project

Draft navbox

I'm unsure of how appropriate a navbox would be for this article, but supposing it is I would propose the below.

5225_C (talk • contributions) 23:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the e5 Project designed the first fully electric oil tanker? Source: "Japanese shipping company Asahi Tanker has announced it plans to build two “world first” zero-emission electric propulsion tankers which will be powered by lithium-ion batteries [...] the two new vessels [will] use the “e5 tanker” planned and designed by e5 Lab" (The Driven)

• ALT1: ... that the e5 Project has produced designs for the first fully electric oil tanker?
• ALT2: ... that the e5 Project designed a currently in-production electric oil tanker?
• ALT3: ... that the e5 Project has produced designs for, ironically, a renewably-powered oil tanker?
• ALT4: ... that to reduce greenhouse emissions, the e5 Project is producing a renewably-powered oil tanker?
• ALT4a: ... that to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from shipping, the e5 Project is producing solar- and wind-powered ships to transport fuel oil?
• Reviewed: I have less than 5 nominations, so I believe I am exempted.
• Comment: Note that I didn't move the article to mainspace because it was created through AfC, but I did write the article as a draft.

Moved to mainspace by 5225C (talk). Self-nominated at 11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC).

• While this article meets the technical definition of 1500 characters, I do not believe it is currently long enough, being mostly disconnected sentences and with clear missing information. For example, the article prose does not even mention the founding date (and the headquarters in the infobox should not be just "Japan"). Looking through sources just on the page, I can see more information that could be added.

The current hook is a bit WP:CRYSTAL. There's a design, but there's not yet an oil tanker. Other eligibility requirements are met, so this can still pass with a bit more work. Best, CMD (talk) 12:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you for your review. I have tried to address the points you raised and fill out the article a bit more, particularly the company's history. Hopefully this will address your concerns regarding the article's length and completeness. However, I do want to point out that two e5 Tankers are in production by Asahi Tanker Co., so I don't think it's fair to say the hook is WP:CRYSTAL. Regardless, I have added a second hook that I think covers the issue.
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• The article looks better now. Regarding the hook, if the ships were delayed or scrapped, they wouldn't be the first projects to never leave production. However, the hook can say they're in production, as that wouldn't be crystal. Regarding wording, it is currently quite matter-of-fact. Perhaps consider re-wording it to imply the "irony" mentioned in the article, which would make it more 'hooky'? CMD (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

• I have added ALT2 and ALT3 which should fix both of those issues.
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• My second point wasn't really about an issue, it was more about drumming up the pizzazz. I was thinking something along the lines of ALT4a: ... that to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from shipping, the e5 Project is producing solar- and wind-powered ships to transport fuel oil? CMD (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

• I see. I've added another ALT based on that.
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

• All hooks fine. CMD (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

• Review needed for ALT4a, which is the most interesting hook here. Yoninah (talk) 13:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: ALT4a is supported by the same sources as the others. ("Japanese shipping company Asahi Tanker has announced it plans to build two “world first” zero-emission electric propulsion tankers which will be powered by lithium-ion batteries [...] the two new vessels [will] use the “e5 tanker” planned and designed by e5 Lab" The Driven)
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Yes, but because it has an added fact that is not in the other hooks, the wording of that to reduce greenhouse emissions, it needs a review. Pinging CMD to take a look at ALT4a. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't think I can judge 4a since I formulated it. I can confirm that the greenhouse gas emissions part in ALT4 and ALT4a is based on the sources in the article, eg. The e5 ship will charge up while it is in port, using wind and solar generated electricity, meaning its operation will be truly emissions free...Industrial shipping is responsible for more than 18 percent of certain air pollutants, around four percent of all climate change emissions, including around three percent of carbon dioxide emissions globally, Furthermore, CO2 emission is minimized by incorporating fuel cell. CMD (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• We need a different reviewer. Pinging @Evrik:, @Kingsif:. Yoninah (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

• Approving Alt4a per above review. --evrik ^(talk) 21:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Wording

Can anyone else see why Originally planned to enter service in 2021, Asahi Tanker Co. are currently constructing two ships of the e5 Tanker design, the first of which will be completed by March 2022 and the second in March 2023 is problematic? Was the company originally planned to enter service in 2021, or one of its ships? I don't think this is important to mention at all (it would be more noteworthy if a major project like this didn't miss initially projected opening dates), but if it's important to keep it, it should be reworded to make the meaning clear. --84.64.247.8 (talk) 11:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

That refers to the ships themselves, which I see as pretty clear in the context (in the middle of the section dealing with the e5 Tanker, and specifying planned to enter service). It's notable because it specifies the timeline the ship's development was intended to follow, which is what that particular sentence describes. The ship should have been done by 2021, but has been delayed. If you really think it is unclear, it could be reordered to read:

Asahi Tanker Co. are currently constructing two ships of the e5 Tanker design, the first of which will be completed by March 2022 and the second in March 2023, revised from an original completion target of 2021.

5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! That's much better. --84.64.247.8 (talk) 11:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)