Talk:Economy of the Empire of Brazil

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Removed section[edit]

I´ve removed a sentence that says that the Brazilian GDP in 1840 was 50.000 contos of réis and in 1889 was 500.000 contos of réis. The reason is that I don´t know if the author in the source truly meant GDP. What he said was that is was the "national production" (produção nacional). I understood as GDP, but now I have doubts. The main reason is that the same author says that industries´ capital in 1889 was 400.000 contos of réis. I find hard to believe that the capital was almost the same size as the GDP in a country that was primary agrarian. For that reason, I took the information out until I find another source that explains it better. Any thoughts on the subject, I´m all for it. - --Lecen (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable claim removed[edit]

I just removed the statement that Brazil, in 1880, had a per capita income comparable to that of the United States, a statement that is not supported by the data and studies currently available regarding Brazil's income during the Empire. The very source used to support the claim is questionable - a magazine article containing political commentary, rather than a reputable study of economic history.

In fact, the most realiable data currently available that allows comparison between per capita incomes of different countries at different historical moments is the Maddison study, supported by the OECD, in which Brazilian income per capita appears, in 1880, to correspond to only 17% of American income, that is, six times smaller (https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/releases/maddison-project-database-2020). Perhaps it would be interesting for the changes made to the Portuguese article to be transplanted to the English article, for standardization purposes. Octaviocgsa (talk) 19:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not...

Firstly, the modern concept of GDP and income only emerged in the 1930s, an estimate is not reality, Angus Maddison is not an economist from the Brazilian Empire, the economy of the Brazilian Empire at the time was praised by economists who lived at the time as an example:Paul Leroy-Beaulieu

Therefore, what is questionable here are these data from modern economists who, on top of that, distort and omit data, in addition, in the case of Angus Maddison, his data is updated and for the Imperial period of Brazil there are no statistics on agricultural production or various other sectors, data that are left out of such "GDP estimates of the Brazilian Empire".

There is not even any republican newspaper, or any other newspaper in Imperial Brazil (1822-1889), that reports on the GDP of the Brazilian Empire, and this is because the modern concept of GDP did not exist and the modern concept of GDP was only implemented in Brazil in 1947.

And thesis is just thesis. The Barther 00 (talk) 22:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]