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Citizens or Ethnic Group[edit]

An editor changed the page so that the focus was Egyptians as citizens of Egypt. Another editor put it back was it was with focus on the ethnic group. The first editor reverted THAT so we were back to citizens. Before reverting the change to the stable version, I had a look at page history and found that the page used to say that it was about citizens AND the ethnic group (some years ago). Thus it is hard to take sides on this, but as per WP:BRD it is time we discussed what the focus of the page should be. Is this page about Egyptians as an ethnic group? Is it about Egyptians as being exactly those who are citizens of Egypt from any ethnic group? Or is it both? There doesn't seem to be any guidance on the matter on this page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

there isn't really an Egyptian ethnic group per se as there isn't a Libyan ethnic group or a Tunisian ethnic group or Jordanian ethnic group. I say we change it back to citizens. 85.75.213.201 (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you did the right thing. The page is about Egyptians as an ethnic group. Nubians do have their own separate page. Fragrant Peony (talk) 22:15, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is best to correct it because this is offensive[edit]

We need a single scholarly source that provides a different point of view in order to change the article. Remsense诉 00:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Egyptians are not an ethnic group, they are part of the world and the Arab people, and this is even present in the Egyptian constitution, so why is it here that they are an ethnic group? Why do you isolate us from the rest of the Arabs? 91.186.229.101 (talk) 22:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We write based on what the total sum of reliable sources have to say on a topic. There's a superscripted number right after the part you find objectionable that points to a source on which we base our characterization. Remsense诉 22:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen the source and there is no basis for the claim. Secondly, I told you that the Egyptian constitution itself says that the Egyptian people are part of the world and the Arab peoples, and this is basically known to everyone, so bringing a Western source that isolates us from the rest of the country is a bad thing. I have seen some articles that You talk about the population of the Arab world, but I did not find anyone like this article. I would like to just remove the sentence (they are an ethnic group) because this is not true and it is very clear that it is so. 91.186.229.101 (talk) 22:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be unacceptable for the reasons I've already stated. Wikipedia does not take the word of specific individuals or follow the preferred terminology of specific governments. Please do not remove sourced content without first having a discussion where you provide your own reliable sources (e.g. a scholarly, secondary source, not a primary source like a country's constitution) to establish what would be the neutral point of view for the article. Remsense诉 23:07, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From what I see now, it is very clear that it takes the words of specific people and isolates a people from those around them without any logic. The source that exists in the first place is not scientific, and how can the constitution of the state itself become a preferred term for a government, even though this explains the nature of the country and its population, but you reject it and put a source? At your whims, it is illogical, and it isolates the Egyptians from the rest of the surrounding countries
Isn't he meant by (Demonym)?
What you are doing now is what non-neutral people say about it 91.186.229.101 (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example, in the book (Kertzer, David I.; Arel, Dominique (2002).https://books.google.com/books?id=qMxbzF4NdFUC) he described the Tunisians as an ethnic group as well, but they are not that. The great majority are Arabs, and there are Berbers. Doesn’t this mean that you are using the term without thinking, kindness, care, or logic? 91.186.229.101 (talk) 23:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have my own suspicions about the use of the term, but you need to provide your own sources for your argument, or else nothing can be done honestly. If you don't provide sources for your preferred viewpoint, I will not be replying further. Remsense诉 23:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is known that Egyptians are Arabs and are not separate, and they are part of the Arab world. You can search for this while they are in the Arab League. Rather, it was founded in Egypt and its center is Cairo. We share language, culture, lineage and history, and we also do not forget the constitution of the state itself. He says wrong, but the words of the person who used the term ethnic group incorrectly remain? This mistake also occurred with regard to Tunisia, and I spoke about it before. Why is the error in this article if it is mentioned? You're the one who has a problem here 91.186.229.101 (talk) 00:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per previous reply. Remsense诉 00:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't you read the words or what? Or did you not find a response so you evaded this way? It is assumed that the term Egyptians means those who live in Egypt, not an ethnic identity. I saw the history of the amendments and it was like this before it was vandalized by someone who was not on Wikipedia in the first place. 91.186.229.101 (talk) 00:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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