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"The disadvantage of this approach is that if this schema is changed the application is not shielded from the change."

This is not the disadvantage of tying app code to db schema, this is a myth. DB schemas should NOT change in ways that break apps. And if/when they do (such as during development), it's probably because the app is required to change accordingly, so being "shielded" from the change is besides the point.

The greatest disadvantage of code being tied directly to the db schema model is cognitive: db physical schemas rarely represent the domain model well, yet the latter is what we'd like to work with in OO code.

Better Word Than "Format" ?[edit]

"It is geared towards solving the mismatch between the formats in which data is stored in a database and in which it is consumed in an object-oriented programming language or other front ends."

I think "formats" is the wrong word. It goes beyond what most people think of as formatting. Better would be something like "architecture", or "organizational structure", etc.

Larry Leonard (talk) 22:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schema? --soum talk 04:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs Better Opening[edit]

I just got back from TechEd and was talking about this with the guys from MS. Everyone things their product is doing something new or different so they don't want to fully categorize it as ORM or something else. But this is exactly what the Entity Framework is. Just because they make their other services aware of EF doesn't make it different from any other ORM framework. I.E. you can use Jasper reports in Java against Hibernate.

Anyway I would like the opening paragraph to more clearly define EF, again not marketing jargon but based on what it is, not just it's vision. --Kibbled bits (talk) 03:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reads as advert[edit]

Much of this text is very close to MS' own documentation on the feature and doesn't question their assertions of superiority over the standard means of doing this - a well-designed application will be shielded from change to the logical data model by views and stored procedures in any case, which this does not at all mention. Eftpotrm (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Terrible[edit]

I am not the most advanced programmer out there, but I choose to use Microsoft Access, Visual Basic scripting, ASP, and ADO on a regular basis and am attempting to learn ASP.NET and ADO.NET. I cannot make any sense out this article. It is just chock full of jargon that I cannot follow. For reference, I cannot follow most of Microsoft's documentation either, instead relying on other people's interpretations and simplifications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.230.9.250 (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How Is This Neutral?[edit]

Claiming that EF is "far superior than NHibernate," which, by the way should read "far superior to NHibernate," is just obscene. Not only is there no proof, I'm not even sure there is a way to prove such an assumption. Flag time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.44.164 (talk) 19:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entity SQL lacks joins?[edit]

"It differs from SQL in that it does not have explicit constructs for joins because the EDM is designed to abstract partitioning data across tables"

Huh? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb387167.aspx Would seem to imply otherwise... and frankly if you could not join tables that are not explicity related by some foreign key (but there's an implicit relationship, say zipcodes) through linq to entities or Enities SQL, you'd probably use a different ORM. 71.154.18.245 (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Visual Studio 2010 with Entity Framework beta[edit]

"The second version of Entity Framework [...] is available in Beta form as part of Visual Studio 2010,..."

Correct me if I'm wrong but I've found no evidence that Visual Studio 2010 is shipped with a beta-version of EF. I'm guessing that is refers to the release candidate of VS2010.

Unused footnotes[edit]

The following references appeared in the reference list but were not used in prior text. Please return to the reference list once they have been cited in the main article. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] EagerToddler39 (talk) 13:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Creating an Entity Data Model from a Database, MSDN, archived from the original on 11 November 2010, retrieved 2010-12-06 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ ADO.NET Entity Data Model Designer, MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06
  3. ^ Update Model Wizard (Entity Data Model Tools), MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06
  4. ^ Generate Database Wizard (Entity Data Model Tools), MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06
  5. ^ How to: Generate a Database from a Conceptual Model (Entity Data Model Tools), MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06
  6. ^ Creating an Entity Data Model the Model-First Way, MSDN, archived from the original on 12 November 2010, retrieved 2010-12-06 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  7. ^ ADO.NET Data Providers for Entity Framework, MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06
  8. ^ Entity Framework 4 Release Candidate supported, Devart, retrieved 2010-12-06
  9. ^ Section Tools in Beginner's Guide to the ADO.NET Entity Framework, MSDN, archived from the original on 11 November 2010, retrieved 2010-12-06 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  10. ^ Database Generation Rules (Generate Database Wizard), MSDN, retrieved 2010-12-06

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for almost a month. Jenks24 (talk) 11:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


ADO.NET Entity Framework → Entity Framework – I think this was maybe known as ADO.NET Entity Framework at one time, but the common name is now just Entity Framework. Evidence: Official site, O'Reilly book, Experts' voice "Pro" series book --Relisted. Tyrol5 [Talk] 01:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC)  — Amakuru (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The overview is an advertisement[edit]

Well, of course the whole thing is probably copied in bulk from MS sources, but the overview is some of the worst since it doesn't really give you an overview but merely touts the greatness of EF.

Could someone (more knowledgeable than I) rewrite the overview in a rather more neutral and scholarly form to summarize the features, advantages, and disadvantages of EF?drh (talk) 21:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the "schema definition language" section's EBNF correct?[edit]

I just made a formatting-only change that appears to have exposed a flaw in the existing EBNF. (This aforementioned change will show as anonymous because I was unknowingly not logged in when I made the change.) The closing parenthesis on line 27 seems to belong after line 9 (I mistakenly said line 4 in the summary for the aforementioned change).

Additionally, usage of parentheses seems to be inconsistent.

I'm not an expert in the nuances and style of EBNF, so please review the above with a critical eye.

Business as a business entity[edit]

Explanation 41.116.6.42 (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ayanda[edit]

Mjojweni 41.116.6.42 (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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