Talk:Epoché

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 14 September 2020 and 17 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Badams8521, Bombwaifu.

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Readers beware. This page is full of half-truths and misinformation. It more or less accurately describes epoche as it was meant by Husserl in service of his phenomenological method, but the term has its natural home in ancient Greek skepticism, especially the texts of Sextus Empiricus, where its meaning is rather different from the meaning Husserl gave to it. With respect to Sextus, it could be argued that virtually everything said in this article is wrong.

I feel like this page is very one-sided. It mentions that it is slightly different among the different schools of Hellenistic philosophy but does not highlight the differences. That could be something added to the content of the page.Bombwaifu (talk) 04:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And 'Pyrrhonism' is _not_ the philosophy of Pyrrho. Confusing, yes, but true. 'Pyrrhonism' was a term coined by Aenesidemus, hundreds of years after Pyrrho's death, to describe the form of skepticism he advocated in opposition to the 'skepticism' of the Platonic Academy. The only Pyrrhonian texts that have come down to us are the texts of Sextus Empiricus, so 'Pyrrhonism' is generally understood to refer to the skepticism advocated in those texts.

(And contra the comments below, it was from Sextus that Husserl undoubtedly took the term 'epoche,' not from Metrodorus. Sextus's texts were widely available throughout Europe in the nineteenth century and in some places in Europe -- particularly Italy and France -- as early as the sixteenth century. Even if Husserl didn't get the term directly from Sextus, he could have gotten it from one of the many commentaries. Brochard's Les Grecs Sceptiques, for example, was very well known by the time Husserl came along. Nietzsche mentions reading it in Ecce Homo.)

Delavagus (talk) 04:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be knowledgeable about this subject, and WP (or at least I) welcomes your contributions. The article, as it is now written, is virtually un-sourced, and as such is desperately in need of improvement. I will add a notice to the article stating as much. Please feel free to bring the article in line with reliable sources per WP:V. Your ideas about this are as likely to be correct as the ones espoused in the article (I genuinely do not know). Beware, however. See WP:VNT Revcasy (talk) 22:03, 25 February 2011 (UTC) I too agree with this. There are basically no sources and the ones that are there are not very helpful or accessible. I often come to Wikipedia to find sources to jump-start my research, but it would be very hard to do that as is.Bombwaifu (talk) 04:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bombwaifu a 9 year old comment about an article is referring to the state of the article 9 years ago, not how it is at present. One can compare the current version with the version from February 2011 and see that the article has been changed substantially. So much so that it would seem that the 9 year old comments would be inapplicable. Teishin (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the text here does not describe it correctly.

I think Epoche is "suspension" - of judgement, and of action.

a web search for Epoche gave the following links.

http://www.swif.uniba.it/lei/foldop/foldoc.cgi?epoch%E9

I have deleted the reference to Aristotle in this article since, based on my knowledge, Aristotle never uses this term in his works. If he does, a reference is required. According to the Liddell-Scott lexicon, Metrodorus coins the term in its philosophical sense. The article also, falsely, stated that Husserl reintroduced the term in his Cartesian Meditations. This is incorrect. He begins using the term in Ideas I, after reading fragments from the Greek skeptics. I do not, however, know the dates that these fragments would have been read by Husserl. However, the Metrodorus text where epoche is mentioned was available in 1890, translated into German by Koerte.

14 June 2012: Just a minor comment, but shouldn't it be epochè instead of epoché? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.78 (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why? I find this word ist always written "ἐποχή" in nominative. What is your argument? 194.174.73.33 (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2014 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin[reply]

Epoché / Suspension of Judgement[edit]

This same article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch%C3%A9 and this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_judgment seem to me to talk about the same idea from two different points of view, and I have some sources stating that Epoché is just the old Greek word for modern Suspension of judgment. What do you think? 194.174.73.33 (talk) 11:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC) Marco Pagliero Berlin[reply]

I'm in the process of expanding and differentiated the Suspension of judgement article. Rap Chart Mike (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page Development[edit]

This page has a lot of potential. Each section could be expanded by adding more sources, and expanding on what is brought up in the introduction. Some sources do not have active links that need to be updated. By adding more scholarly sources, more content can be added giving context to Epoché.

Badams8521 (talk) 03:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)B@dams8521[reply]

I agree with you, I'm currently a student in a class that discusses this topic an I hope I can add some insights and information regarding this topic. There is a lot of work that can be done I feel. AVin626 (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Information[edit]

I am hoping to find some resources that can improve this page. Currently there just does not seem to be much substantial research listed other than a few definitions. If you know of any studies that have been conducted around epoche or have any information that could be considered, please let me know.

The448 (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]