Talk:Erle Stanley Gardner

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No photo?[edit]

Why aren't there photos of Erle Stanley Gardner in this article? That would make sense to me.--Will 04:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because they are copyrighted. Photos in this encyclopedia should be in the public domain, it means they must be really old, or having been handed out as promotional material, or made by whom uploads them. That is not easy, if the subject of the article died less than 40 years ago.... Kraxler 22:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lester Leith/Peter Wimsey?[edit]

Does anyone have a citation for this comparison? It doesn't seem reasonable to me. Yes, they both have butlers, but that seems to be the only overlap. Wimsey works with his butler and Leith works against his (because he's a police spy). Wimsey is an altruistic crime-fighter and Leith is out to enrich himself. Is there a reference that suggests that Gardner deliberately conceived Leith as a Wimsey parody? Accounting4Taste 14:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The comparison doesn't seem reasonable to me, either. I think there's more likely to be a connection with the 'gentleman thief' Raffles. In fact...I think that might even not be original research.... Marieblasdell 23:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lester Leith is a broad satire on the Lord Peter Wimsey and the Jeeves stories. Therefore the butler "Scuttle" is not helpful and perspicacious, but bumbling and malicious. And Leith similarly differs by contrast with Lord Peter, as pointed out above. You wouldn't question this point if you had read much Gardner, because he has a wicked sense of humor.
His biography by Alva Johnston cites the time that Gardner defended some Chinese clients against a corrupt county administration. This "Courthouse Ring" had already been paid off to turn a blind eye to some local Chinese gambling dens; but after being bribed, had turned around and arrested the gambling operators, in order to collect even more in fines.
On the day of trial Gardner had one of his clients and the client's cousin sit together at the defense table. When the Sheriff got up to testify, Gardner had the defendant quietly leave the Court for 15 minutes. And when the prosecutor asked the Sheriff to identify the man he arrested, the Sheriff pointed to the cousin. Gardner got up to cross-examine and challenged the identification at length, but the Sheriff was unshakeable. Just then the defendant walked into Court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.208.101 (talk) 17:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Museum section[edit]

The museum section contains no information about the museum except for the address and number. It should at least have the history, and when it opened. If this cannot be fixed it is considered a violation of WP guidelines, as per WP:SPAM as an advertisement. —Coastergeekperson04's talk@01/18/2008 02:41

The Temecula Valley Museum has a permanent Gardner exhibit that includes over 6000 photos, memorabilia and a reproduction of his Temecula office. http://www.temeculavalleymuseum.org/exhibitions/erle-stanley-gardner/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4880:5030:8857:FC77:A31F:5200 (talk) 16:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

pen name[edit]

I remember reading somewhere that "Erle Stanley Gardner" was itself a pen name. Is this correct? WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Best selling?[edit]

I've heard it said, I believe as an answer to a quiz question, that Erle Stanley Gardner was the best-selling American author of the twentieth century. Does anyone know whether this is the case, and can they point to sources so that it could, if true, be included in the article? Of course I realise there may b some question over the definition, but would imagine that for it to be completely true, he'd have had to have sold enough books worldwide to have grossed a higher dollar amount, adjusted for inflation, than any other author. I've a brief look online, but couldn't find any references. I'll try and remember to have a more thorough look when I have time, but if anyone else could do the job and confirm either way before I get to it, I'd be most grateful.Lordrosemount (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference #2, overleaf, Gardner's obituary, is cited as saying ""Erle Stanley Gardner, Author of Perry Mason Stories, Dies". Los Angeles Times. March 12, 1970. "Erle Stanley Gardner, whose Perry Mason mysteries made him the world's best selling author, died Wednesday at his ranch home at Temecula in Riverside County." My recollection is that this specifically referred to the number of books that had been sold, not the amount of money earned; 1960s paperback editions indicated on their covers that over 100 million Perry Mason novels were in print. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gardner tropes[edit]

Especially in the Perry Mason books, Garner tends to use the same minor plot devices over and over again. The most overused one is that of the murderer who fakes himself an alibi by finding an auto accident that occurred around the time of the murder, and then comes forward to the lawyer for either side as a witness. Then he pretends not to have any alibi, but lets the police "discover" his alibi by themselves. This is in at least a dozen novels if you count the "DA" and the "Cool & Lam" series of books as well.

The problem is, the device is not minor enough. For example, Gardner also makes great play with the idea of the "holographic" will, a will entirely in the testator's handwriting, which requires no witnesses and is, or was, legal in California. This doesn't grate because nothing much depends on it; whereas an alibi is a key element in mystery stories and it seems like laziness to repeat the same gimmick over and over.

Of course it was not for nothing that Gardner habitually referred to himself and his collaborators as "The fiction factory". In the afterword to his Terry Clane novel "Murder Up My Sleeve", Gardner goes so far as to say "I am not a writer. I wish I were".

Any further suggestions about repeatedly used Gardner themes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.208.101 (talk) 17:02, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other Pseudonyms[edit]

According to the bibliography at http://www.grooviespad.com/esg/works/Bibliography.asp?genre=f&type=s Gardner also published short fiction under the names Anonymous, Grant Holiday, and Della Street - this last for a woman's magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.192.239 (talk) 00:53, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ESG's pseudonyms are noted and cited at the article Erle Stanley Gardner bibliography. — WFinch (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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This could be rated START class. Kraxler 20:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Statistics[edit]

Gardner was one of the most prolific writers of the 20th century, if not the most prolific of all time. At one time, he was writing a novelette every 3 days. Skimming the article, I could not find any mention of his prodigious output or totals for his novels, novelettes and short stories. Surely this is notable, worth a subsection? Any Gardner expert out there with full statistics? D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 08:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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