Talk:Errol Flynn

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Mother's death[edit]

Did she survive Flynn's death or die at 45 in Jamaica? Mayumashu 09:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She survived Flynn and lived, I think, until the 1960s.

Castro[edit]

"Before his death Flynn renounced Castro and his revolution"

Is there a source for this?

This contradicts everything about Flynn and Castro that I have ever heard. Flynn and Castro were drinking buddies. Flynn, in his autobiography, written immediately before his death, gives a very positive view of Castro. Also, at the time of Flynn's death, Castro had not yet consolidated power as a dictator and still remained within the good graces of the United States. Quite a few of the Miami anti-Castro types were still supporting the revolution at the time, including the young Jorge Mas Canosa himself. I suspect this line is a bit of vandalism and I will delete it. If someone wants to find a source for it and restore it, they are free to.

Flynn is listed as a Republican on some sites which must be untrue since his politics were left-wing. I suspect some conservative vandal was trying to make out Flynn shared their beliefs.

Flynn may have supported a Republican candidate at some point ; there are people listed as Republicans on some sites who merely supported a single GOP candidate. During Flynn's lifetime, the parties were less ideological than today.

Now there is "However, on a return trip where he allegedly witnessed executions and was roughed up by the secret police, he changed his mind about Castro." Is there a source for this? KillerChihuahua?!? 08:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He did criticize an execution that he witnessed in a letter, but there is nothing to indicate that he ever renounced Castro. (92.13.96.151 (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Bisexual?[edit]

SFAIK, the only source for the bisexual claim is The Untold Story, a book of questionable purview which has been widely debunked, and an claim by Truman Capote, well known for claiming he slept with all kinds of people he could not have and did not in fact sleep with. Is there a better source for this? KillerChihuahua?!? 14:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Slavik in "Dark Victory: The Life of Bette Davis" (2007) refers to Flynn's bisexuality including an encounter with the ill-fated youthful actor Ross Alexander, Flynn's co-star in "Captain Blood" (1935). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.18.25.60 (talk) 20:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take note: Howard Hughes was NOT a homosexual nor a bisexual. In the interest of historical FACT I am removing ALL reference to any kind of "affairs with Errol Flynn". That is wholly inaccurate and unsubstatiated. Moreover, it is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.174.169.194 (talk) 07:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's long been believed that men with strong sexual drives are likely to experiment with a wide variety of sexual behavior, including homosexual intercourse. (See, for example, the 1963 LIFE article, "Homosexuality in America".) I can confirm from direct experience that the heterosexual womanizer is likely to mess around with other men, if only out of curiosity. Though Errol Flynn might not have been "bisexual" in the strictest sense of the word, it's not at all improbable that he bedded an attractive male, on occasion, and that if he were alive today, he would not be embarrassed to admit it. Of course, "probability" and "likelihood" aren't proof. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 13:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pfffttttt. Nonsense. And your personal experience is not a qualified "Reliable Source" for Wikipedia.HammerFilmFan (talk) 09:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

read this (reference from the article about R. Littell (writer): http://januarymagazine.com/profiles/littell.html#top 195.138.82.98 (talk) 14:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Third-hand hearsay hardly qualifies as WP:RS. There is a properly-sourced reference to his alleged bisexuality in the "posthumous controversy" section, however. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 16:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ABCDEF?[edit]

I first read this "fact":

A group organized to support Flynn, named the American Boys Club for the Defense of Errol Flynn (ABCDEF); its members included, surprisingly, William F. Buckley, Jr.

...in a book called the "Super Trivia Encyclopedia" - 1979 edition. I came to find out more about it, and lo and behold, every reference to the "ABCDEF" is phrased almost identically to this one, which is very similar to that in the Trivia Encyclopedia. Is there anyone who can verify that this cutely-named organization ever actually existed?--Bltpdx 05:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i'm not familiar with how to do this editing but - regarding ABCDEF & Buckley, see "Bring On the Empty Horses" (C) 1975, by David Niven, p 114, where he says "It seems obvious that Flynn was framed, and young America was aroused. William F. Buckley, Jr., then at prep school, told me later that he had joined A.B.C.D.E.F., American Boys Club for the Defence of Errol Flynn." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.107.124 (talk) 22:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australian film actor[edit]

Was he ever in a movie shot in Australia? Shouldn't be he "Australian born film actor" instead? --Tigga en 11:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He was born in Tasmania, not Australia.

Tasmania is actually a state of Australia even though the land masses do not connect. Just like the island of Hawaii is a state of USA... RE topic - lets just take the word 'film' out of that title... cheers--121.44.45.168 12:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he was in an Australian version of Mutiny on the Bounty in 1933. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smythloan (talk • contribs) 20:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Flynn was a British subject (citizen). Most Australians were then. Ian Dunster (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's technically true, because there was no such thing as Australian citizenship until 26 January 1949 (see Australian nationality law#History of Australian citizenship). But that doesn't mean he wasn't an Australian, in every ordinary understanding of that term. Just like Bob Menzies, Patrick White, Ron Barassi, Joan Sutherland, and thousands of other notable Australians who were born before 1949. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to his entry in the Oxford Companion to Film (1976, P:257) Errol Flynn was actually born in Antrim, Northern Ireland.--Ian O'Brien86 (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would discount that. His Tasmanian birth is very well documented indeed, and no serious reference work has ever claimed otherwise. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't argue with him being Australian but the trouble is that since Australia has become more independence-minded and with the rise of Australian Nationalism the fact that he was also a Briton is downplayed or ignored. The fact is that he was British as much as Australian, so describing him without mentioning this is rather misleading. I know it's probably not a fact many contemporary Australians might like but there it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.80.21 (talk) 11:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, I disagree that this is a fact. He may have been born technically a "British subject", but he was not a "British citizen", a "Briton", or "British". If your thesis is correct, then all of our Prime Ministers until Kevin Rudd (2007-10) were Britons because they were all born before 1949. And that's complete rubbish. Bob Menzies famously described himself as "British to the bootstraps", but even he would baulk at the categorisation "British politician". -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 12:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as 'nationality' is concerned 'Australians' didn't get separate citizenship until 1948 and as Flynn became a naturalized American citizen in 1942 that means he never was an Australian citizen, only a British one first, and then an American one.
Flynn may well have considered himself 'Australian' as I'm sure did most people from the continent however he was technically and legally a British subject which makes him 'British' - as all the people of the British Empire of whatever race or colour then were. New Zealanders didn't get separate citizenship until 1949 and Canadians were still British subjects (and therefore British citizens) until 1946.
"If your thesis is correct, then all of our Prime Ministers until Kevin Rudd (2007-10) were Britons because they were all born before 1949. And that's complete rubbish." - unfortunately for your point of view that 'thesis' is actually 100% correct, and if you were in a position to examine any of their passports issued before 1948 you would see this is fact. Before this year all 'Australians' were in fact British subjects/citizens.
That's why Kylie Minogue was so easily able to become a British citizen - her parents had been born before 1948 and so she was already legally one anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.74 (talk) 10:32, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're confusing "British subject" and "British citizen". Australians were British subjects until 1949, but they were not British citizens. There is a real difference. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Wikified references. William (Bill) Bean 04:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robert De Vere (the real "Robin Hood")[edit]

No one really knows who Robin Hood was. I've edited comment about this.Expat Justin (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Circumstances of death - another version[edit]

I don't mean to offend any family who might review this page, or loyal Flynn fans (I'm one too) but when I read the death section it didn't jibe at all with what I'd heard/read:

Flynn flew with Aadland to Vancouver on 9 October 1959, to sell his yacht Zaca to millionaire George Caldough. On 14 October, Caldough was driving Flynn to the airport when Flynn felt ill. He was taken to the apartment of Caldough's friend, Dr. Grant Gould, uncle of noted pianist Glenn Gould. A party ensued, with Flynn regaling guests with stories and impressions. Feeling ill again, he announced "I shall return" and retired to a bedroom to rest. A half hour later, Aadland checked in on him and discovered him unconscious, Flynn having suffered a massive heart attack. According to the Vancouver Sun (16 December 2006), "When Errol Flynn came to town in 1959 for a week-long binge that ended with him dying in a West End apartment, his local friends propped him up at the Hotel Georgia lounge so that everyone would see him." The story is a myth; following Flynn's death, his body was turned over to a coroner who performed an autopsy, and released his body to his next of kin.

...because also in the Vancouver Sun over the years I gleaned that, famously in Vancouver legend, he died in the arms of a teenage/underage girl in a cabin in Port Coquitlam, specifically in the area of Prairie & Meridian (Prairie and Coast Meridian Road, a major intersection in today's suburb), and it was alcohol poisoning (which can of course cause a heart attack). I hadn't heard the apartment-party story in fact; the account I'm mentioning is in earlier Vancouver Sun columns, sorry can't remember which columnist, maybe Denny Boyd or Trevor Lautens...it might be in the Chuck Davis Vancouver Book and older Jack Wasserman columns. There was talk in the article i read about how there was an official version, and a real version....I vaguely remebmer the bit about being propped up in teh bar, but the lurid details of drinking-to-death and freakign out the young girl he was with by dying is standard Errol Flynn lore in Vancouver....Skookum1 (talk) 23:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly a more-fun story, more Flynn-esque, than simply going to bed after drinking too much. I dno't know what the truth is, and sorry I don't have the articles to cite, all I'm doing is relaying the information....Skookum1 (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Errol had a massive heart attack in the apartment of Dr. Gould at 1310 Burnaby street and was unresponsive even after an ambulance was called. His death probably technically occured in the ambulance on the way to the hospital but in any case he did not respond when discovered laying on the floor of the back bedroom. He was told his back pain might improve if he lay down on the floor rather than the bed. Later Bev Audland tried to throw herself off of the top floor of the apartment building but was restrained. At the coroner's, mysteriously, Errol key on a chain around his neck disappeared. This key, said Errol, was to a safety deposit box that contained "a million dollars". It was never found. There is no truth to the story that he was propped up in a hotel for people to see. Beverly Aadland, or Woodsie, as she still prefers to be called to this day confirmed this information during a phone call a few years ago. She remarried eventually and her husband Ron is a nice man who doesn't mind being compared to Errol Flynn. Woodsie's health hasn't been perfect during the last year, despite giving up drinking and losing a bit of weight. She had been working on a new HBO project called "Sensational" about her time with Flynn the last time I talked to her. I don't know what happened to the project since then. I do know that she had script approval over anything to do with her mother, Florence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.108.167 (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That anecdote about his corpse being propped up in a bar has an echo of a story (also apocryphal, David Niven debunked it when he mentioned it in one of his own autobiographies) that before his funeral the corpse of John Barrymore, a drinking buddy of Flynn who died in 1942, was for a prank sat up in Flynn's Hollywood apartment dressed and holding a whisky glass in one hand. Barrymore's wiki biography states that while Flynn mentioned it in his memoirs, it was denied by Gene Fowler who stood vigil over the body, although retrospectively confirmed by his granddaughter Drew Barrymore.Cloptonson (talk) 09:54, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is Flynn a Scottish name?[edit]

Just noticed the IP edits from 91.*.*.*, among which was: "Although from generations of Tasmanians, his family was of Scottish descent." That would be the Flynns of Clan MacDonald, or the Flynns from Clan Campbell? Since when is Flynn - one of hte most Irish of Irish names - a Scottish name??Skookum1 (talk) 14:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably since a great deal of the Scotch happen to be Irish, but whose counting? Dragoon91786 (talk) 09:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coming from someone writing in Indo Germanic Low German Anglo Saxon its obvious Dragoon91786 where your racist views lie, they are unfortunately all too common from Anglo Saxon speakers. Perhaps you should learn that the English are Germanic immigrants to the British Isles and not Celtic peoples nor native Britons. It is always the illegitimate that boasts of his noble birthright and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

It also takes two to Tango, so let's not forget the female contribution to the gene pool.Donde1960 (talk) 15:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Posthumous allegations[edit]

I have removed the allegation regarding Ross Alexander because it is sheer conjecture and simply "piles on" the unproven allegations mentioned in the Higham book. I have also cleaned up some small punctuation errors. Easyid (talk) 13:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shunned Tasmania?[edit]

Flynn famously shunned Tasmania, claiming he was from Ireland - [1]. Is this so? And was he "famous" for having done so? I've never heard of it. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

and so was he —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.14.2 (talk) 17:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
???? -- JackofOz (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He never deliberately shunned Tasmania or Australia, the problem was the Hollywood PR machine in those days simply didn't know where the country was, Flynn would tell tall tales of his adventures in Australia until the early hours with his drinking buddies. Hollywood just took the easy option and made him out to be Irish, the fact is Flynn had never set foot in Ireland by the time he got to Hollywood in 1934. He was Australian, he spoke with an Australian accent, he makes mention of his life in Australia all through the first part of his autobiography, he had Aussie friends in Hollywood, (Freddie McEvoy) he would curse director Michael Curtiz using unique Australian colloquialisms just to confuse him. Flynn was as baffled as anyone why they ever put him in Westerns? Later in life he spoke with a posh mid Atlantic come Aussie inflection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.180.62 (talk) 02:57, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

birthplace[edit]

There have been claims that Errol Flynn was either born in Tasmania as this article claims or in Dublin. As at the time of his birth both places were part of the British Empire wouldn't this make Errol Flynn British?

Yes, technically he was a British subject, but an Australian British subject rather than a Canadian British subject or a Kenyan British subject or even a British British subject. There was no such thing as Australian citizenship till 1949, but he was still as Australian as they come. And no, he was not born in Dublin or any other part of Ireland, but in Tasmania, Australia. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 12:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Both Flynn's parents were born in Australia, Flynn himself was born in Hobart Australia. Tasmania is a state not a country. He was an Australian who ended up becoming famous living and working in American movies in Hollywood. The great shame of his life is he probably should've returned to Australia in the 50's, he loved the outdoors, he loved boats, the water etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.180.62 (talk) 03:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

bankruptcy[edit]

At the time of Errol Flynns death there were stories that due to his rapidly spending his money he was almost bankrupt.

Flynn was likely bankrupt for a large part of his life. He was a good con man, particularly with women, and never repaid debts. Many Australian residents in New Guinea post WW2 had known Flynn in the 30s, and none had any good memories of him. Once he'd fleeced enough people in one town he'd move to the next.203.219.69.102 (talk) 05:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


He owed money to a lot of people back in Australia, plus he stepped on the toes of some unsavory characters in Sydney during the early 30's, it's one of the reasons he never went back. He had offers to make movies in Australia, but i suspect he might've had to answer to a few people if he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.180.62 (talk) 03:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Posthumous Cultural Reference[edit]

What about the Australian Crawl hit 'Errol'? It's basically a biography and is a well-known classic here even though many people only know the chorus.

Also, there is a street called Errol Flynn drive, a street in Centennial Park, Sydney (EQ). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.223.215 (talk) 12:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Australian-American?[edit]

Was there ever a discussion for this change made by 207.225.163.16 here? I would think that there is strong case for it to be 'Australian' or 'Australian born' instead of 'Australian-American'. -Depor23 (talk) 14:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After five years silence, I assume that's a no. I dislike the use of this term, because I think it's applied on WP but doesn't exist in reality. The term seems to be used by default here. In fact, although he played an Australian twice in Hollywood films, there is evidence Flynn didn't think of himself in terms of strong Australian identity much at all - noted further in the article. David Niven's memoirs ("The Moon's a Balloon") also confirms Flynn lacking much sense of Australian identity at the outbreak of war 1939. I agree - "Australian born " or "Australian born Hollywood actor" is accurate.Nickm57 (talk) 06:46, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I usually dislike such terms, especially when applied to someone who has never even been to the place listed before the hyphen, but in this case I think it's appropriate. It doesn't seem right to call him "Australian" when the work for which he is best known was done in the US, and he was a US citizen the last 17 years of his life. But I wouldn't just say he was "American" either. Kendall-K1 (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"...was an Australian-born actor who made his career in Hollywood from 1935. He was particularly noted for his romantic swashbuckler roles" would be an alternative, or more simply "...was an actor who made his career in Hollywood from 1935. He was particularly noted for his romantic swashbuckler roles." What are my reasons for objecting to the "Australian-American" label? I get the evidence that events of his childhood and his early acting role for Charles Chauvel were significant but there is no evidence Flynn called himself anything like that label. We all acknowledge, that like many in Hollywood, Flynn fictionalized some of his early life and obscured his origins. But he was not a dual national (one couldn't be of course). And his (unsuccessful) efforts to enlist the US military and his later citizenship is evidence that if he had any national loyalty by the 1940s, it was to the US. I note we don't describe David Niven as a British-American actor, or Constantin Brâncuși as a Roumanian-French sculptor.Nickm57 (talk) 07:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Niven is not a good example. He lived as many years in Switzerland as in the US, joined the British Army when war broke out, and never became a US citizen. But I share your dislike of the hyphenated nationality in Flynn's case. I would not want to call him either "Australian" or "American" but I can go with either of the alternatives you suggest. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:36, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ever considered?[edit]

...to add main character from Disney cartoon "Tangled"? He looks very much like Errol, and even his (wanna be) name is Flynn (Raider). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.170.35 (talk) 18:45, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marvel Comics[edit]

iirc Nightcrawler was based on him

Daughter Arnella Roma[edit]

His daughter Arnella Roma died so relatively young, I was wondering what the cause was (drugs? suicide? illness?). Since the article goes into detail about the death of his son Sean, it seems odd not to at least mention the death of one of his daughters who passed away so young. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She apparently retired to Jamaica in 1995 and developed a drug and alcohol problem that killed her.[1][2] There is not much info about her, I can't find anything that I would want to use as a source. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:40, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Arnella Flynn, Too Much Like Errol
  2. ^ Arnella Flynn

Radio credits[edit]

It seems like there is a problem with these credits when you get down to the program named "Barbara Stanwyck" (both this line and the one after). But I don't know what the correct information is. Any editor know about his radio career? 69.125.134.86 (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He was gay. Better don't talk about it.[edit]

https://www.google.de/search?q=%22affairs+with+Errol+Flynn%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gfe_rd=cr&ei=fKKSU-jxF6uG8QeumoDQAw#channel=rcs&q=gay+affairs+Errol+Flynn&rls=org.mozilla:de:official --87.79.129.180 (talk) 05:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, right. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 05:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Victim blaming[edit]

The problem I have with the link to victim blaming is that regardless of what the source calls it, by definition that's not what happened since there was no crime committed. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't follow. Flynn was charged with having sex with two teenage girls, which was illegal, even in 1942. His attorney argued not that he was innocent, but that he was Errol Flynn -- and what girl could resist, especially these two girls, with their "questionable moral character", despite the fact that they were under-age and could not legally consent to having sex, even with Errol Flynn. In other words, the victims were blamed. The fact that he was acquitted is irrelevant, yes? DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 19:23, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Flynn was charged but not convicted. So no crime took place and there were no victims. It doesn't matter what he was charged with or what his attorney argued; if he was acquitted, there were no victims, and no victim blaming. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are a couple of fundamental flaws here: (1) The fact that Flynn was acquitted does not mean that it never happened -- only that the jury didn't agree that he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. (2) I don't know of any definition of "victim" that makes it contingent on a conviction in court. Was Emmet Till not a victim, because his murderers were acquitted by a racist jury? (That was their defense too, BTW -- he "had it coming" for whistling at a white woman -- and his case is frequently cited as a prototype example of victim blaming.) A murder victim in an unsolved murder is still a victim, and the crime is still a crime, even if nobody is ever tried for it, yes? If a scumbag rapes a woman and is never caught (or is caught and his guilt can't be proved beyond reasonable doubt), nobody would tell the victim that she wasn't really raped, or that she's not a victim. An underage participant in a sexual liaison is by legal definition a victim, because he or she cannot legally give consent in such a situation, even if the participant was "willing" (and Flynn drugged at least one of the girls, allegedly). DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DoctorJoeE, a murder can be distinguished from a natural death; it is a question merely of determining the murderer. Is there any evidence that sexual activity took place between Errol Flynn and the underage girls? If there were, it would have been a grave miscarriage of justice, to which I doubt the American courts or the American people would have assented. DoctorJoeE, you are acting as if you have more evidence and more power than the judge at Flynn's trial. Perhaps you should go public with new evidence if you have it? Furthermore, while the USA has had a history of racist court rulings, there isn't any such similar history of legal bias towards movie stars copulating with underage girls. Therefore, your references to Emmet Till and murder are unsuitable to a conversation about Errol Flynn's trial. To be extra clear, rape can be ambiguous whereas murder isn't. There is often dispute about the consensual nature of a particular sexual act but no such dispute relates to murder. So, DoctorJoeE, please stop including links to victim blaming in the entry for Errol Flynn, as you have no right to include your personal opinion as to Errol Flynn's guilt or as to his allegers' victimhood on Wikipedia. Thank you. Rpafitzpatrick (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpafitzpatrick: Please re-read the discussion and edit summaries. The cited source refers to Flynn's lawyer's defense tactics as "blaming the victims". I have no opinion, one way or the other. To be extra clear. Thank you. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 23:38, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DoctorJoeE, the change you made on 15th September 00:23 ends my concern in this regard. Thank you. By the way, I apologise if my tone came across to you in any undue way; it would not have been my intention. Regards, Rpafitzpatrick (talk) 11:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that Kendall-K1 has a unique view of reality.

According to a trivia game show I saw, Flynn murdered someone before he became famous. Someone should look into that and put it into the article. The man was quite a criminal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.157.175 (talk) 05:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You had better find a couple of really reliable sources for that charge if you want to add it; I don't know of any, and none of the published biographies, including Higham's hatchet job, mention anything of the sort. The trouble with "trivia game shows" is that they are not held to any factual standards whatsoever. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 18:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Remains[edit]

The word "remains" meaning what's left after someone dies is one of the few words in English that only has a plural form. See Wikt:remains, [2], [3]. So "remains have" is correct. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kendall-K1: No. The verb does not modify the prepositional phrase "of the remains", it modifies the indefinite pronoun, "none" -- which, like "neither" is considered singular, and requires a singular verb: "None of the rooms has a private bath", for example -- or in this case, "None of the remains has been found."
I totally get that in modern usage, plural verbs are used with "none" and "neither" so often that it is now actually considered acceptable in some newer textbooks -- in other words, the error has been made so often that it is now "correct". I don't have the time or inclination to edit war over this; but for the record, "none has" is the correct standard English form. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 18:21, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My interpretation was that, as "remains" is a plural noun with no singular form, the indefinite pronoun can't be considered singular either, but I see your point. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Having looked at this a bit more, I think both can be considered correct; although it's complicated by the fact that we are talking about a plural (two) set of plural nouns. Here is an essay on the matter, by an admitted anti-prescriptivist: [4] Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes -- "everybody's right". Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it? That person is correct that "none" does not always mean "not one" -- but in this particular case, it does! I lean toward the side of thinking of "none" as singular, and “none has” as a simple matter of subject-verb agreement. The prepositional phrase coming after "none" should have no more of an effect on the conjugation of the verb than a prepositional phrase that follows “one” or “neither". I do understand that there are other opinions; in some situations, "none" can take on a plural sense, as in “not any” -- but in this situation, "none of the remains" refers to “not a single one” -- which, at least to me, seems indisputably singular. But again, I get that both can be considered correct -- just as "snuck" is now considered an actual word! :-) DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 22:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well in this case we have two of something, each of which by itself is plural. So I would say a single "remains" is still plural. But enough of this, I concede the point, and yes I'm feeling warm and fuzzy, or I will be once I've snuck off to bed. Kendall-K1 (talk) 00:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Needs much better references.--Grahamec 04:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Errol Leslie Flynn[edit]

"Thomson" does not appear to have been part of his official, legal name as per his naturalization paperwork (see [5]). Quis separabit? 21:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a claim that does the rounds in my neck of the woods (and even made it into the paper) that Flynn attended the Royal Belfast Academical Institution. Any definitive source on this? I only ask because it hinges on his father Theodore Thomson Flynn being in Belfast in 1921 but our article suggests it wasn't until ten years later that he arrived. As a Belfast man I would like it to be true but would rather hear from some the Flynn experts that handle this page first. Keresaspa (talk) 18:41, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked his autobiography, in which he says he was still in Tasmania in 1921. He makes no mention of any schooling in Belfast. His father became chair of the Zoology department at Queen's in 1931, but by then Errol was 22, and shuttling between Papua New Guinea and Australia. The one biography that I have immediately at hand (Hurst's) says the same. So I suspect the local scuttlebutt and the Belfast Telegraph are mistaken. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 21:33, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I thought, to be honest. Thank you for checking it out for me. :) Keresaspa (talk) 23:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Yacht[edit]

The section on rape allegations mentions that Flynn allegedly trysted with one of the girls aboard the Zaca. This is incorrect. Flynn did not acquire the USS Zaca until 1946. During the time of the statch rape controversy, he owned a yacht called The Sirocco. Contemporaneous news accounts corroborate this. It would be wise for someone to properly edit the article accordingly.

Major movies - editing welcome[edit]

Much detail appears to be taken up with synopses of his major movies, which are not closely germane to a biography article. The detail could surely be left to articles on the respective movies.Cloptonson (talk) 16:03, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Having had no replies, and checked the plot details in the movies' articles, I am taking steps to edit out the synoptic detail, leaving only material commenting on Flynn's involvement in them.Cloptonson (talk) 20:30, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree - the level of movie plot detail was inappropriate for a biography article. I've felt this was a weakness for sometime.Nickm57 (talk) 21:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

involvement in slave trade??[edit]

In his autobiography he writes how he was a slave trader in New Guinea. I was wanting to remind myself of the facts, so I came here expecting to see something. I'm surprised nothing is in his article, or even a discussion on the matter of inclusion in the talk page here. Has this been a topic of discussion? Is this fact so obscure it's never been brought up, or?

I assume you haven't noticed - there is a WP page on My Wicked, Wicked Ways, and I notice a very helpful article on his autobiography at Vanity Fair, by Hadley Hall Meares - describing it "as outlandish and problematic as it is utterly absorbing". But in the meantime, this article can't canvas all the claims he makes in his book. Nickm57 (talk) 23:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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