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Because of different regional dialects, Portuguese government officials established standard Portuguese

what?!--Pedro 19:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be expanded. For a guide, look at the Brazilian Portuguese article. There are extensive sections on grammar, phonology, and the like. learnportuguese 18:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

where EP is spoken[edit]

How can EP be spoken in Africa and Asia? That would be African Portuguese, which there is an article on, and Asian Portuguese, which there is not yet an article on. learnportuguese (talk) 23:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you crazy or something?!--Pedro (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EP grammar[edit]

I am trying to start a section on EP grammar and how it differs from Brazilian Portuguese. The article on European Portuguese itself is very short and definitely needs a jump start. I need the collaboration of other Wikipedians to make this a good article. This small start is my poor attempt at expanding the Wikipedia world of knowledge. Thanks. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it was you who wrote this misconception:

European Portuguese differs from Brazilian Portuguese in fundamental grammatical aspects.

One example is the formation of the progressive tense. For instance, in the sentence "I'm reading this book now", Europeans write "Estou a ler este livro agora", whereas Brazilians write "Estou lendo este livro agora".

one verb is "infinitivo" and the other "gerundio", and both are correct in Portuguese, just the Brazilians tend to use often the gerund. there are even dialects in Portugal that still use a lot the gerund. It is in fact one way where we see that Brazilian dialect is derived from the southern dialects. You can not present that Brazilian preference like that. Please write something here if you are sure about something.--Pedro (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Galician?[edit]

I just added a small subsection on Galician. Is that alright? Should it be included? Also, does anyone have information on Portuguese as a second language learning in Galicia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadooski (talk • contribs) 18:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Continental Portuguese?[edit]

Calling European Portuguese "continental" (as opposed from insular) is not only ambiguous, but also Eurocentric. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.127.18.51 (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese in Africa and East Timor[edit]

Although we all understand that some people of these countries wish to have a local standard, the trend of the day, because Brazil has one, because the US and Australia also have their variants of English. These things are not for wishfull thinking. Brazil is a country of 190 million, virtually all native Portuguese speakers, it is independent since early 19th century, its situation is like the US's, although with a not so good education system. The African countries do not have so dominant native speakers, and second language speakers dont make Cape Verdean Portuguese or Angolan Portuguese or whatever and these countries have their independence from very recently. Of those, the older accents (uncreolized) are found in Sao Tome and Principe and Angola, which are special cases, but these are accents that function the same way as in Portugal. And taking Cape Verdeans to account, they speak with an accent closer to standard Portuguese than most Portuguese people would do, as second language or first language, I cant tell.--Pedro (talk) 23:23, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name or article[edit]

The article should be renamed "European Portuguese language" because editors generally expect articles on languages to be named that way. That convention was adopted years ago to avoid confusion between articles on languages and articles on ethnic groups. ("European Portuguese" could be understood as the Portuguese citizens born in Portugal, for example.) Breaking a convention is no mortal sin, but is annoying when someone is writing another article and types "it is called ... in [[European Portuguese language]]", trusting the general convention, only to discover that there is no such article. He then has to spend some minutes looking for the current name. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 03:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why would someone be called European Portuguese though? Isn't Portugal's geographical location, Europe? (Yes). To be honest, I do not favor this article at all. You don't see articles created like "European French," it is ridiculous. It should be merged into Portuguese language. "British English" gets a pass as it does not only pertain to England but the group of countries that make it up. It should model Spain and France and simply created dialects of the language spoken in various places, not to create a variety of the very birthplace of it. Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well there should be European French, as Andorra and Monaco also speak France French.--occono (talk) 20:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it should model English language in England and be moved into Portuguese language in Portugal. Savvyjack23 (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Immigrant communities in Germany[edit]

Is there really a sizable Portuguese community in Germany? I have yet to find a single Portuguese person based in Germany for a longer period. There are Brazilians, however. --2001:16B8:3121:2500:59A9:E11C:CF30:141E (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilians exist only as individuals who immigrated to Germany in recent years. They never came as a group. The Portuguese exist as a community that came to Germany after WWII as foreign workers. It is true that they are relatively few in comparison to the four largest immigrant groups of Italians, Spanish, Greeks, and Turks. 78.55.204.247 (talk) 18:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

40 million speakers[edit]

"European Portuguese" is defined in the article as "Portuguese of Portugal". So how can there be 40 million speakers with Portugal having but 10 million inhabitants? Even with emigrants included surely you will hardly arrive at more than 15 million. 78.55.204.247 (talk) 18:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]