Talk:European political party

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Review of the article[edit]

The article was seriously out of date, with the description of the framework of European parties starting with "as of 2008" and relying on Regulation 2004/2003, which was replaced a long time ago with Regulation 1141/2014 (itself amended several times). Likewise, financial data dated back to 2012. As a result of this, several statements had become incorrect. I also extended the history section (pre-1990 and post-2014) and cleaned up the sections on European parties past and present, since they were at top of the article and also at the bottom. The article now features consecutive sections on current European parties, former European parties, and other entities; all these sections are placed at the end, after the history section and the description of the framework on European parties.

This leaves me with two questions:

  1. The "External Links" section includes the following paper "The European Parliament and Supranational Party System Cambridge University Press 2002". Unless I am mistaken, this paper is not cited in the article and is over twenty years old. I therefore doubt its relevance. When I cleaned up that section (because most links were broken), I left it in place, but would recommend either removing it or replacing it with a more recent paper on the topic. I am actually not sure what the policy is about adding publications in the "external links" section, I thought it was mainly for other websites, but I defer to the community.
  2. The "Controversy" section seems biased and underdeveloped. This is now just a twenty-year old case of some parties not being happy about the structure of European public funding, and nothing happened. Would it make sense to rename this "Criticism" and to extend this to other criticisms of European parties and of their funding? I recently submitted a draft article dedicated to the funding of European parties, and that article contains a more detailed section on criticism, so this could actually be removed altogether.

Julius Schwarz (talk) 15:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of opposition over the past two months, and given the fact that, as indicated, the mentioned paper is way out of date (2022, before the 2004 regulation was in effect, which itself was replaced in 2014 and subsequently amended), I am proceeding with its removal. Feel free to re-instate it and discuss if you feel this is not warranted. I could try and find a more recent paper on the topic, but, since the paper is not even cited in the article, it does not even feel like we need a specific paper to support the article.
Likewise, I am proceeding with the proposed removal of the "controversy" section, which is one-sided and under-developed. At any rate, it focuses not on European parties but on their funding (for which a dedicated page is being reviewed, and that page contains a well-developed "criticism" section). A new section on criticism of European parties themselves can always be added here. As before, feel free to re-instate the removed section and discuss if you feel this change is not warranted. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Default Sorting of Current Europarties[edit]

I'm curious to find out what the community thinks about a default sorting of the "Current Europarties" section by political position. Would a left-to-right or right-to-left sorting provide a better view of the spectrum of parties? Selecting the up/down arrows next to Commission, Parliament and Council would still allow to sort by the current default view Majority.

In my view it makes sense to keep the current order of most to least elected representatives. Helper201 (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Formation for World Political Parties[edit]

Who proposed the formation of World political parties? Please quote your sources- Electionworld 20:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Example parties in section entitled "The parties"[edit]

I have tidied this up, and removed an erroneous statement of the British Conservatives party affiliation, but I'm not sure exactly how it should be decided which parties to use as examples here. Should there be one or two from each, and on what crieria would they be selected? Obviously parties like the CDU, UMP and Labour are large parties providing heads of government and perhaps merit inclusion for the EPP and PES, but there are also heads of government from the ELDR and the AEN. The decision would also be difficult for those without heads of govermnent or smaller representation. Here two examples are given for Euronat, in which one (the FN) have considerably greater representation than the other (BNP). Perhaps no national members of the Europe-wide parties should be mentioned here, only their platforms? Tozznok 21:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section moved[edit]

I moved the controversy section towards the bottom of the article, the standard encyclopedia format is to put criticism and controversy sections after the purely descriptive sections. You cannot introduce a debate on a subject before the reader knows what the subject is, so this should not be placed as the first section. Blankfrackis 20:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename[edit]

The title is very misleading: Europe does not mean the European Union. For the sake of clarity in a NPOV encyclopedia, this article should be renamed. There is no argument about usage of proper nouns here.--jrleighton 15:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

There's no need to include the word 'Union' when it's already given by the context. Same with the European Parliament or the Anthem of Europe. --78.69.33.206 (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Legal status of such organizations[edit]

Maybe the readership could be made aware that, despite such organizations are labelled "parties", they consist only of meetings of delegates of national parties, are not allowed by the Commission itself to participate in any electoral campaign (including at the European level), and that people who join as individuals are only able to consult documents or attend meetings, but not to take part in decisions or elect their representatives.

I also agree the title should be renamed, because for instance a Swiss or Norwegian political party is also, geographically speaking, a European political party, the two countries not being inside the Union and concerned by this label. I am conscious that it looks awkward, but I suggest "European Commission funded European Political Parties", because it is the gist of their existence (a status adaptation from the former federations, mostly for financial reasons), and it will also help reject in another article those organizations who claim to be "European" but are not qualified as such by the Commission.

It will also help understand that their status is particular. For instance they should not be concerned by the Wikipedia elections box, since they don't participate in elections. --Arnaudherve 13:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Observer and associate members[edit]

What exactly is meant by observer and associate member? What's the difference between the two? --GSchjetne (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The terms are not rigidly defined, and depend on the internal organization of the europarty concerned. Generally, an observer/associate/affiliate goes something like this:
  • The party is a member of the europarty but is not in a EU member state, so cannot stand in Euroelections, and/or:
  • The party is not a member of the europarty but stands on the same electoral list as a party that is a member, and/or
  • The party wants to be a member but is unsure, so has adopted a kind of half-in half-out status
Hope that helps. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update European political party[edit]

If anyone feels up to it, the table at European_political_party#The_Europarties needs some cleaning up since these have changed since the 2009 Europarl elections. e.g. there is no mention of the European Conservatives and Reformists, and the Alliance of Independent Democrats in Europe no longer exists. I might not be the best person to do this, as I'm not entirely sure if there's a difference between the pan-European political parties and the party groupings that sit in the European Parliament... --Alexd (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Europarties in European Council and EU Council[edit]

Take a look and maybe help:

Member State Dominant Europarty Additional Europarties
Austria EPP EGP
Belgium ALDE PES EGP EPP
Bulgaria NI PES
Croatia EPP NI
Cyprus EPP
Czechia ALDE PES
Denmark PES
Estonia ALDE
Finland PES ALDE EGP EL
France NI EDP ALDE
Germany EPP PES
Greece EPP
Hungary NI EPP
Ireland ALDE EPP EGP
Italy NI PES ID EPP
Latvia EPP NI ECR
Lithuania NI EPP ALDE
Luxembourg ALDE PES EGP
Malta PES
Netherlands ALDE EPP ECPM
Poland ECR NI
Portugal PES
Romania EPP PES
Slovakia NI ID ECR
Slovenia EPP ALDE EDP
Spain PES NI EL
Sweden PES
ALDE Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe Party
ECPM European Christian Political Movement
ECR European Conservatives and Reformists Party
EDP European Democratic Party
EGP European Green Party
EL Party of the European Left
EPP European People's Party
ID Identity and Democracy Party
NI Non-Attached
PES Party of European Socialists

The dominant Europarty is the one holding the member state’s seat in the European Council.

Additional Europarties are the ones which also sit in (some configurations of) the Council of the European Union. – Kaihsu (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Political positions[edit]

Consider the European Left Party a far left group or the European Green Party a Left wing group and then consider the European People´s Party a centre-right one and ALDE a centre one is politically motivated. Almost all member parties in ALDE are centre-right, sometimes even more in the right than the EPP national counterpart. In the same way, consider the EPP just centre-right is not correct, there ir a more centre-right wing and a more right-wing one inside the party. EPP leaders of Slovenia, Bavaria, Hungary, Spain, France or Austria nowdays are clearly not centre-right.

Let´s be objective about this and don´t try to manipulate. Consider liberalism centre tries to demonize ideologies and parties coming from socialism. A true centrist party would be the one compromising socialism and liberalism, a liberal socialism as would say Norberto Bobbio. The PES and the EPP were centre- right and centre-left in the past because of social-democracy and christian-democracy builduing european welfare state system. since times have changed, new parties have arise, as well as new sociologial times, this has changed a bit, but the idea is the same. Classical liberalism or even neoliberalism is not the centre, because it is not a compromise of liberal socialism, it is a centre-right option that understands freedom only on its negative-freedom approach. In the same way, the more conservative, nationalistic, right-wing posittions of many EPP members cannot be avoided. --213.254.88.156 (talk) 11:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EPP: Centre-right to right-wing https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-csu-returns-to-far-right-political-battleground/a-42031195 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/888111/Angela-Merkel-Horst-Seehofer-Markus-Soeder-CDU-CSU-power-struggle-coalition-right-wing https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/victor-orban-hungary-migrant-refugees-george-soros-ngo-far-right-a8297441.html https://www.firstpost.com/world/italy-elections-2018-silvio-berlusconis-right-wing-coalition-set-to-win-most-seats-but-hung-parliament-looms-large-say-exit-polls-4376159.html https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/21/europe/spain-casado/index.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42310937 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/slovenia-election-results-latest-populist-far-right-janez-jansa-democratic-party-a8382641.html https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/austria-immigration-sebastian-kurz/542964/ ALDE: Centre-right https://www.dw.com/en/dutch-prime-minister-mark-rutte-says-more-eu-is-not-the-answer/a-44212571 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/13/ciudadanos-podemos-of-right-political-force-spain-albert-rivera https://books.google.es/books?id=jUiOAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA18&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/danish-election-centre-right-venstre-opposition-leader-lars-lokke-rasmussen-celebrates-victory-10330755.html https://www.expatica.com/nl/about/Political-parties-in-the-Netherlands_108098.html https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/2047-8852.12171 PES: Centre-left PEL: Left-wing

These sources refer to parties within the groups, not the political positions of the groups themselves. Please read WP:SYNTHESIS. Helper201 (talk) 04:43, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, this is not about parliamentary groups, but about parties. Parties at the EU level are formed by national parties, so its tendence depends on the tendence of the national forming parties. The european parties doesn´t have militants by themselves, but national member parties. So to know the political tendency of them you need to check the one of its members. Thinking for example than most member parties of EPP are right-wing and the EPP itself is not, makes no sense.
where in this RfC can I find a brief and neutral statement, and/or the article text to be addressed? Edaham (talk) 07:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

The article needs to be updated with the changes after the European elections and the government changes in e.g. Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C6:370F:3823:B49D:54CE:81A:EAC8 (talk) 22:17, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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