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BetacommandBot 10:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be split into two separate articles![edit]

This article has to be split as FC Ljubljana was founded in 2005 and is legally not considered to be successor of NK Ljubljana, a club that was founded in 1909 and dissolved in 2004. I suggest that someone makes two separate articles. One should be about NK Ljubljana (1909-2004) and one about FC Ljubljana (2005- ), a team that started playing in 5th tier of Slovenian football and currently plays in the 3. SNL.Ratipok (talk) 16:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, if you would consider things legally it should be split into 10 articles, but it's the same club after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.52.128.62 (talk) 08:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the same club. Slovenian football association (NZS) and the association of 1.SNL (Združenje prvoligašev) does not consider this club to be successor of the NK Ljubljana. According to Mr. Grega Sever (an official spokesman for the Združenje prvoligašev - www.prvaliga.si) FC Ljubljana was founded in 2005. The story is similar to the one of NK Olimpija and NK Mura. NK Olimpija indeed has two separate articles on wiki(one of the club 1911-2004 and the other of the club est. 2005), while NK Mura (1924-2004) doesnt even have an article (only the one of ND Mura 05 exists).Ratipok (talk) 22:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aha, well that is certainly something new for ZP and NZS, because the clubs often registered as a new subject (by passes and so on) and were allways considered as the same club. In this case there should be articles SK Hermes 09-13, SK Hermes 18-25, ŽSK Hermes 25-42, FD Železničar 45-53, ŽŠD 53-77, ŽŠD 78-93, Železničar 94-96, NK Hermes 97-2000, V&V 2000-05, FC 05-. Well, it is interesting however that NZS and Združenje accept all formet subjects as the same club, but not the last one. OK, if you will make separate articles for NK Izola (96), NK Jadran Dekani (95), NK Medvode (2001), NK Korotan (2003), NK Kočevje (94), NK Triglav (1997), NK Rogaška (99), NK Slovan (99), NK Tabor (04), NK Svoboda (94)...then you can do it also for FC Ljubljana. And how about all prvaliga clubs (except Maribor), Gorica was NK Gorica unitll 2003 and then ND Gorica, two clubs with two matical numbers, also NK Drava/NK Ptuj (2000), NK Nafta/ND Lendava (02), NK Publikum/NK Celje (02), NK Koper/FC Koper (01)...? Will you split those articles too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.52.128.62 (talk) 08:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know if its new from the NZS and ZP or that they are using new rules, but its certainly right. In any case bypasses are not tolerated anymore. And a story of NK Mura, NK Olimpija and NK Ljubljana is different from the rest since these three clubs acctually dissolved and where not bypasses. All three teams and their entire youth squads (except in the case of Mura) where also dissolved and all three 'successor' clubs where founded after couple of months of the original clubs not existing at all! The official standing of Združenje prvoligašev for ND Mura 05 and FC Ljubljana is (according to Mr. Grega Sever who is the official spokesman of Združenje prvoligašev): V primeru da bi se FC Ljubljana in ND Mura 05 uvrstila v 1. SNL, bi bila to prva uvrstitev teh dveh klubov v najvišji rang tekmovanja. Omenjena kluba namreč nista pravni naslednik NK Ljubljana oz. NK Mura in ju kot taka niti ne bi obravnavali - torej oba bi startala "z ničle". (English: In the case that FC Ljubljana and ND Mura 05 would be promoted to 1.SNL, that would be the first classification of these two teams to the highest tier of Slovene football competitions. Both clubs are not the legall successor of NK Ljubljana/NK Mura and we would not treat them as such - therefore they would start 'from zero'. The official standing for NK Olimpija is similar and you have it written down on the clubs wiki page. All this can easily be confirmed with an email to desk@prvaliga.si - www.prvaliga.si (the official web site of Združenje prvoligašev).Ratipok (talk) 12:50, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe you, I know the new NZS policy. Well, the same goes for Izola, Jadran, Korotan... So it depends on what wiki articles should be about, the frmal club that starts from zero is different but club culture, stadium, fans etc is the same society, so it will be hard to split an article, but of course, you can do it. I certainly won't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.52.128.62 (talk) 19:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have made separate articles about the two clubs. One is about NK Ljubljana (1909-2004) and one about FC Ljubljana (2005-present).Ratipok (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now I expect you to do the same for Dekani, Svoboda, Izola, Korotan, Tabor, Kočevje, Šentjur...

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