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Story section heavily cut-down[edit]

I've edited out most of the "Story" section. It was poorly written (it read like a 8 year-old child writing a book report on it), contaied myriad spelling and grammar mistakes and in many places was highly innacurate or downright wrong; the "elastic" plot means that what happens in one game may not happen in the next, and it is nearly impossible to chronicle ALL different angles.Crimson Shadow 02:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The version with the detailed story can be viewed here in case anyone is interested ashish.vashisht (talk)

Voice actors[edit]

"Several of the voice actors from the American-dubbed version of Code: Lyoko provide the voices of the characters in this game."

I've deleted this trivia. While true, the VA's did a whole lot more than just C:L. They're prolific voice actors who work on a variety of projects, MOST OF WHICH are other videogames. The entry seemed trite. ~ 69.180.225.127 21:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Elastic plot[edit]

"Many gamers felt that the much-hyped "elastic" plot was too static, and that the instances that could change the game were too few. One might partially counter this argument by saying that this was exactly why the storyline was labelled "elastic" instead of "dynamic," but unfortunately, by that definition, numerous other adventure games might also be considered as having a quasi-"elastic" plot."

Why is this unfortunate? It's just marketing.--Roofus 01:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's "unfortunate" for the counter-argument. – Quoth 23:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "However" because it is neutral. A counter-argument can't have good or bad fortune without a bit of anthropomorphising. E.g; "Fortunately, for the toaster" makes no sense. You could say "fortunately, for those that would like to put this argument across" - but "However" keeps things neutral and is short and simple. 62.31.159.236 16:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for doing that, but you should sign your talk page entries.--Roofus 04:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that! When I did that I was new to the Wikipedia concept and hadn't figured out how to sign it yet. I've done it now post factum so that it's clear. The whole entry strikes me as a bit Weasle-wordy, though. What the original author seems to mean is that s/he and perhaps some of his/her friends felt that the plot was too static. On the other hand - it could be valid criticism. Just wish we had the statistics --62.31.159.236 16:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

The criticism section is just a whole load of unsourced POV rubbish. I'm not denying that the criticisms are not valid, some of them are, I have read quite a few reviews of the game. But the whole section on Criticism is just stupid:

  1. It should not be titled "Criticism" and only list the negative parts of the game. It should be titled "Critical Reaction" and have sourced reviews from the gaming press, highlighting both the games successes and failures.
  2. The section should be balanced, the game received high praise from the vast majority of publications. This should be reflected in the section, with good/bad reactions is proportion with the real world.
  3. Source the things, I just removed a paragraph added by an anon which read, "For these reasons, Fahrenheit is refered to by at least one person as "A pseudo-adventure for the not-adventurers"". This is an encyclopedia, I don't care what your opinions of Fahrenheit are, I don't think anyone does. They would however respect some words by Edge magazine or PC Gamer, not "at least one person".

I'm not sure if I have time to properly source and write a section on this, but I hope others looking to edit this article in the future will take these concerns into account. - Hahnchen 14:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the whole section is pretty poor; lacks citations, weasel words, possible original research, etc. I removed the attempted rebuttals that were inserted after a few of the points, as they seemed particularly clumsy and apologetic. - 81.179.104.113 00:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity would "user reviews" qualify from somewhere such as gamespot or IMDB be valid sources for "critical" review? I'd think they would be.--Koncorde 02:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yet they are not. :] --Gwilym 04:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's somewhat weird to be honest. The average gaming magazine or online site (such as Gamespot) obviously have their reviews. However it's incredibly hard to source critical elements unless "published" by a secondary source (by the logic of the Reliable Sources) which means you can't use user reviews that exhibit the feelings/ideas of a group as a fact (which is Opinion). It's cat chasing its own tail time.
What would the consensus be on a "verifiable" secondary source for computer game critiques in this day and age? Would "Gamespot" be viewed as 'authoratative' for game reviews if done by the staff?--Koncorde 11:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, GameSpot counts as a published source. As for users, I'm pretty sure you could get away with referring to a collaborative score, or even a consensus (as long as you labelled it as such) - just don't pluck stuff from individual reviews.
Also, I just finished this game yesterday. What an incredibly awful ending. --Gwilym 19:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. To be honest it's a great 2/3rds opening...then goes downhill. Still well worth playing, very enjoyable. Engrossing for large parts. I shall have to source some criticisms though :D --Koncorde 20:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added "Unsourced" and "Weasel" templates to help put the situation in perspective. --Soniczip 19:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed this section (see below). --Auger Martel 08:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut[edit]

Was this actually released in America yet? Besides the ESRB listing (under AO-rated games) I haven't been able to find any other information about this. --SevereTireDamage 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it's only available as a download purchase through Direct2Drive and similar systems. US chains are wary of carrying light sexual content (brutal violence is fine though). -- Jordi·✆ 04:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section?[edit]

This game seems to have enough trivia/cultural references to warrant their own section (e.g. the diner radio directly quoting - possibly sampling - Eric Fensler's 11th GI Joe PSA, and everybody's cupboards being full of Duck Soup). I've only noticed a handful so far in my current playthrough, but I remember noticing many more the first time through.

Any objections to me creating such a section?--Gwilym 00:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On you go; BE BOLD as they say. Crimson Shadow 10:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more of an italics guy, but I'll give it a shot.--Gwilym 19:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, that's terrible.--Gwilym 19:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Languages[edit]

Hey,

Does anyone know all the languages Fahrenheit has been released in. David Cage always says that it has been released in "seven languages" (audio, subtitle, and menu-wise), while I only see references to English, French, German, Spanish and Italian editions. That makes five.

Also, on my copy of Fahrenheit, I only see four languages, English, French, German, Spanish, but not Italian. So what edition includes Italian, and what edition includes those mysterious other languages?

And lastly, does anyone know, if the Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Director's Cut game is only available in English, or does it include other languages. I only seem to know, that it's only available in North America.

Thanks,

--Szajd 13:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would make no sense to have the Director's Cut version in other languages, as it is no different than the standard Fahrenheit outside of US. Chronolegion 15:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to GameFAQs, it was indeed released in Japan for PS2 (they have a Japanese box cover there); presumably it has at least Japanese subtitles there. 65.13.130.79 (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
+ Russian version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.162.169 (talk) 10:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
+ I played Polish subtitles + English audio version.

Controls[edit]

The start of the control section says "In the console version ...", but doesn't mention the PC version. Anyone feel like putting in those details, because I don't know them. Champs --218.215.128.251 09:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Voice actors[edit]

Can somebody please put information about the VAs to this game? Angie Y. 14:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chroma[edit]

Should chroma info be placed on the article, or would that be too much of a spoiler? Same question regarding the Matrix-like scenes (e.g. bullet-dodging, aerial fighting). Chronolegion 15:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Out-of-character[edit]

Someone put that the Oracle holding a gun to a person's head is out-of-character for him, as he is very powerful. However, there is another plausible explanation. Yes, he is powerful, but perception matters as well. If someone threatened you by holding a finger to your head, would you be afraid? Chronolegion 13:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Official name[edit]

The official name of the game is Farenheit (which is the article name), and as the article says, the northamerican version changed the name to Indigo Prophecy. But the original and official name still is Farenheit, so I don't see the reason to reword the article with "Indigo Prophecy" as the main name.Sega381 00:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The game was entitled "Indigo Prophecy" for the North American release only. This was done by the NA publisher for marketing reasons. But the game was conceived and developed with the title "Fahrenheit", and so should this article be. Bulbous 18:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure it wasn't because Sega released a game with the same name in the 1990s: File:Http://pics.mobygames.com/images/covers/large/1143304960-00.jpg 68.96.215.51 (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

fahrenheit on vista !!!!!!!!!!! DOESNT WORK!!!![edit]

everytime i try to install fahrenhiet on vista it lets me choose the install path and when it begins to install a message interupts saying fahrenheit could not be installed or something and says the system was not modified if you google it there are many others claiming the same message —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.109.103.204 (talk) 17:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I don't see the reason to write about this problem in an ENCYCLOPEDIA, you know, I can complain that it doesn't run on ultra quality on a 386 with Windows NT standing in my grandmother's office. Would that be of any interest to anybody? 84.47.156.86 04:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC) KoZaK[reply]

And for the record, it does work on Vista, but the installer doesn't. here you can find a modified MSI file that will allow you to install it. -- Jordi·✆ 06:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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new age?[edit]

is there any relation to this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_child 76.217.120.247 21:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In a way.. Indigo child already mentions the connection. -- Mithent 23:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Criticism Section[edit]

I have removed the criticism section as the promised sources to back up the claims have not emerged. This section has been tagged since November 2006 so there had been plenty of time for those wishing a criticism section to produce adequate sources backing up these claims.--Auger Martel 08:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?[edit]

The article says about Tyler Miles: "He is voiced by Your Mom". I'm not sure if this is vandalism or Your Mom is actually somebody's nickname, as ridiculous as it sounds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.150.125.78 (talk) 06:09:55, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

Emmett's Mark[edit]

There is definitely some kind of connection to this game and the film "Emmett's Mark" written/directed by Keith Snyder. I don't know if that is the same Keith Snyder that wrote "Night Men" recently.

If you watch the film, you will see THE SAME diner that is presented in "Farenheight" and a very similar music score. The characters are also very much alike in their development and "Emmett's Mark" AKA "Killing Emmett Young" focuses on many of the same psychological themes as "Farenheight." I suspect that Keith Snyder may have sold some of the intellectual property rights to his film, but there is no evidence that I've found to confirm this. Can anyone throw me a bone here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.68.84.67 (talk) 01:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Story Breakdown[edit]

  • When I played the Game on my Xbox the Story seem to get confusing, unexplained, and choppy. The Purple clan wasnt even mentioned until you save Jade. Did others experience this or was I just being Story Stupid? Arkkeeper (talk) 18:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the story isn't perfect, but in terms of immersion, this game has by far the best storyline that I have ever seen in a videogame. 86.164.70.166 (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joe's Diner?[edit]

What? I thought it was Doc's Diner... unless that was changed in the NA and EU versions too. Farslayer (talk) 08:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm playing the german version (but with english voices, I don't like the translations) and it says "Doc's Diner". 92.77.62.180 (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)Adeon[reply]

Racial stereotypes[edit]

Some have criticized the game for its use of racial stereotypes.

I removed this comment from the introduction. The source was a few lines in an internet review of the game, so it doesn't seem to be a big issue. And placing it in the introduction and not mention it later is deceiving. It makes it look like something several people have attacked the game for. J-C V (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

USmode[edit]

USmode=0 no longer works on the steam version, not sure about the retail —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.213.48.43 (talk) 09:09, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Agatha[edit]

The article currently assumes Agatha is what she appears, until she dies midway through the game and is subsequently impersonated by the Purple Clan. However, it seems more likely that she was a creation of the Purple Clan all along. It is strongly implied throughout the game that the crows have some significance, and they are clearly tied to Agatha, even at the point when it is revealed she is being impersonated by the Purple Clan. Thus it seems the crows are creations of the Purple Clan. Agatha was clearly tied to the crows from the start, so it would seem that Agatha was tied to the Purple Clan from the start.

It is probably all just speculation either way though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.213.15 (talk) 07:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fahrenheit 2[edit]

Why is there no article about the sequel, and not even a mention here? -NeF (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a sequel? 71.190.225.116 (talk) 20:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. I assume he means Heavy Rain, which is a similar game from the same developers but not a sequel. 95.245.5.98 (talk) 09:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism[edit]

This game was highly criticized by common adventure gamers, and the article needs a section about this!!! For starters, you have have a look at this link: http://www.peliplaneetta.net/arvostelut/575/ (English summary) 95.245.5.98 (talk) 09:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Time Event[edit]

This game is probably one of the best examples of a QTE game to date, yet it isn't mentioned once in the article :( Stalkaz (talk) 14:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

1UP.com[edit]

Please do not delete dead links, mark them as dead in the first instace and give editors a chance to find alternate sources or archived versions. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll take this on. If you don't hear anything from me by Saturday next, ping me. --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ProtoDrake: Cognissonance (talk) 19:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cognissonance: Alrighty, I think I gave give you a few things.

Infobox
  • Just a suggestion, but putting the additional developers and publishers in a Notes section. Makes it less overwhelming.
    • Also a suggestion, but putting the release dates into a collapsable format will also help make the infobox look less overwhelming.
I usually prefer everything to be visible. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There isn't a series for Fahrenheit, it's just a standalone title.
The people on wikidata say it becomes part of a series after it gets remastered. Cognissonance (talk) 07:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Same thing happened with Observer (video game). Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lead
  • It's rather short. Barely anything on the gameplay, and the other versions should be put in the first paragraph after the original release version and date.
I'm a minimalist with leads, boiling everything down to the essentials. One plot summary, one line from gameplay as the section isn't large, a little more from development, etc. For chronology's sake, I prefer that the remaster comes after mentions of reception and sales, as it was ported long after the original release. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe say how long it was in production as part of expansion, as that's mentioned in the text. Not essential.
It already says it took two years to make. Cognissonance (talk) 07:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • " It sold over one million copies." - Maybe changed to "Selling over one million copies, Quantic Dream considered the game a commercial success."
Gameplay
  • Image caption, at least add a full stop. As it stands, it looks like someone started typing then stopped without finishing.
It is not a full sentence, so it shouldn't have a full stop. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plot
  • Can you mention the ending variants here?
As with many articles with multiple endings, if I'm doing most of the plot work myself, I only write what has to happen. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Development
  • "Fahrenheit was developed by Quantic Dream,[2] whose founder David Cage served as writer and director.[29]" - Maybe split this into two sentences, thus: "Fahrenheit was developed by Quantic Dream.[2] Company founder David Cage served as writer and director.[29]"
  • When you mention Vivendi Games, did they publish their previous title, or were they attached to Fahrenheit, or what?
The previous game isn't mentioned here, so don't know why you would think that. I added "initial" as Vivendi was the first publisher of Fahrenheit. Cognissonance (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sex scenes were omitted from this version, but included in Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered, which launched for Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, and macOS in 2015, and PlayStation 4 in 2016.[2][40]" - This sentence just seems to transition very abruptly from the omitted sex scenes to an 'oh, there's a remastered version'. There should be some transition, or if there's more information on its production or origins or similar a smaller section on the remaster.
That line refers to North American censorship of the original game and the lack of censorship in the remastered version. Cognissonance (talk) 07:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reception
  • There are rather a lot of quotes here. I'd rephrase and paraphrase some of them. Not all, but some.
I gotta disagree, I think it strikes a good balance between objective description and quotations, like in Tales of Monkey Island or most my GAs. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • All refs are missing accessdates. Not essential or really GA relevant, but something to note.
I don't use accessdates in my sources. Cognissonance (talk) 07:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 5 is just a website page, which can be edited by users apart from site staff. Have you an alternative journalistic source for that date? If you haven't it can pass, but it's a bit of a question mark.
I scoured the web to just find that one. Cognissonance (talk) 07:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 31, 32, 34 and 35 are different URL types of the same page, but otherwise identical. Is there a reason for this? If you like, you could use the : page number  code for it.
They all have the same title and I prefer not to embellish in that parameter. If there is a working page= parameter I could add a number on each of them. Cognissonance (talk) 07:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's some stuff for you to be going on with. Not a huge amount, mostly fiddly stuff. Basically the article's sound. Once you've addressed or explained the above, I'll give the article another look through. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ProtoDrake: Addressed some of it and explained the rest. Cognissonance (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cognissonance: You've made valid points. I think it's mostly come down to style preference. On the whole, this can Pass. Congrats! --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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